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To: ebysan; Fred Nerks

There are so many possibilities as to what was transpiring regarding Obama/Soetoro and his names, it’s like trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle whose pieces are all blank.

We don’t know for sure under what name he travelled to Indonesia to live. IF Lolo adopted him, was the adoption in Hawaii? Or in Indonesia? A court in Hawaii would have required consent-to-adoption from the father named on the birth certificate. Would Senior as well have been required to sign for an Indonesian adoption? In “Dreams” it says he had already been enrolled in school in Indonesia prior to his arrival. That first school was the Asisi, where we know he was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, Indonesian citizen Did the school require proof of identity and citizenship? - a birth certificate, or adoption papers - for enrollment?

Information has been that Indonesian citizenship was required for any child to attend a government school, which Barry did for the second two years he was there. Between that requirement, and the fact of his already having been registered as a citizen at the first school he attended, it sure does seem like he really was adopted by Lolo. And in “Dreams” Barry remarked that to his family and friends, Lolo always referred to Barry as his son.

So all that would indicate that when he returned to Hawaii in 1971, it would have to have been with his own passport under the name of Barry Soetoro.

The first known “event” in the timeline was his starting school in Hawaii: 5th grade, at Punahou. “Dreams” told us - pages 54 and 58 - that Barry had lived with his grandparents in Hawaii the summer of 1970, and that he had gone for several interviews at Punahou during that summer of 1970. So the process had begun at least a year before his move back.

In “Dreams”, pages 59-60 - we’re told that on his first day at Punahou there was snickering at his name; that the teacher had remarked Barry’s grandfather had told her his “...father is in Kenya”. That - if not another Barry lie - indicates he started at Punahou as Barack “Barry” Obama. However, and typically, it doesn’t SAY so; it only “indicates”.

The next “event” in the timeline is the BIG VISIT from Obama, Sr. My own speculation is that it wasn’t a “visit”, and that Stanley Ann being there for the same time period was also not a “visit”.

The grandparents had agreed to taking the boy to live with them so his mother would be free to flit around the world being a pioneer of women’s liberation. The grandparents in effect rescued the boy from his irresponsible, selfish mother. He had one father in Kenya, another in Inbdonesia, and a mother set to embark on a lifetime of dedicated concern for tribal women in third world countries - but none for her son.

So - who speaks for the boy? The laws in every state require there be a legal voice for the boy. A legal decision-maker, a legal caretaker. Someone to enroll him in school, someone to sign for field trips, to give permission to take part in school sports, to sign for routine or emergency medical treatment, etc, etc, etc.

I’m fairly certain the parents’ Nov.-Dec. 1971 visit was for no other reason than to meet a court requirement to appear in person in order to sign legal guardianship to the grandparents. Since the father, Obama, Sr., had not contested the 1964 divorce and Stanley Ann had sole custody, it’s likely the father wouldn’t be required to appear for a guardianship hearing. BUT - it the grandparents didn’t want any future problems from their daughter or Obama, Sr., they may have actually petitioned to adopt their grandson. In that case both parents would be required to appear in court. The “visit” would be lengthy due to court procedures: a petition for guardianship [or adoption] is filed, and a 30-days’ Notice of Hearing is sent to all interested parties. Then, following the hearing there could/would be another period of time required to pass before court orders are written and filed. And documents registered showing guardianship, or adoption. If adoption, a new birth certificate is issued, and the original book registration is marked indicating there’s been an amendment to the original document.

If this was the scenario, it would explain the horrified reaction by the grandparents to receiving telegram notification that Obama, Sr. would be arriving that Nov.[”Dreams”, pages 62-63] If that was the scenario, the grandparents likely would have figured that the required Notice of Hearing sent to Obama, Sr would have been ignored [and thus he’d have given up any rights to the boy by default].

And IF this was the scenario, I’d also think it likely that until the arrival of that telegram, 10-year-old Barry Soetoro had never in his life been told of, or heard of, or had any knowledge whatsoever of the Kenyan man now being alleged to be his father.


127 posted on 06/03/2012 11:06:28 PM PDT by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture, every photo))
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To: GGMac; LucyT

Good Scenario....Family of Secrets was all too comon during that time period.


131 posted on 06/04/2012 2:08:36 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: GGMac

I am glad to see focus on the BIG VISIT.

Obama II would have been an Indonesian citizen - in Indonesia because his mother had to become an Indonesian citizen according to Indonesian citizenship laws. Basically, after a marriage between an Indonesian and non-Indonesian nationals the clock starts ticking for one of them to change their nationality. Indonesia basically did not (and may not to this day) recognize ‘mixed’ (nationality) marriages. So by Indonesian law Obama was an Indonesian citizen as of March 15, 1966. When he was only 4 years old.

If the US recongized Obama II as solely Indonesian it would explain the need for Obama Sr.s appearence in 1971. He was needed to ‘reclaim’ his namesake son to terminate the Indonesian citizenship. Indonesian law allows for foreign national birth fathers to reclaim their adopted natural child and terminate their Indonesian citizenship.

If this happened then the birth records were probably pretty well cleaned up to match the narrative story all the way back in 1971. If Obama II was born overseas or in Washington, etc. it was all probably white washed to get a child out of a dangerous country in 1971.

1971 has some key information.


134 posted on 06/04/2012 5:06:48 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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