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To: MD Expat in PA
vaccines do not contain fetal tissues

That's debatable:

Vaccines and autism: a new scientific review

March 31, 2011 11:32 AM
By Sharyl Attkisson
CBS News

Excerpt:

Ratajczak also looks at a factor that hasn't been widely discussed: human DNA contained in vaccines. That's right, human DNA. Ratajczak reports that about the same time vaccine makers took most thimerosal out of most vaccines (with the exception of flu shots which still widely contain thimerosal), they began making some vaccines using human tissue. Ratajczak says human tissue is currently used in 23 vaccines. She discusses the increase in autism incidences corresponding with the introduction of human DNA to MMR vaccine, and suggests the two could be linked. Ratajczak also says an additional increased spike in autism occurred in 1995 when chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue.

Why could human DNA potentially cause brain damage? The way Ratajczak explained it to me: "Because it's human DNA and recipients are humans, there's homologous recombinaltion tiniker. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it's changed, altered self and body kills it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body killing the brain cells and it's an ongoing inflammation. It doesn't stop, it continues through the life of that individual."

Dr. Strom said he was unaware that human DNA was contained in vaccines but told us, "It does not matter...Even if human DNA were then found in vaccines, it does not mean that they cause autism." Ratajczak agrees that nobody has proven DNA causes autism; but argues nobody has shown the opposite, and scientifically, the case is still open.

A number of independent scientists have said they've been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. "I'm retired now," she told CBS News. "I can write what I want."

140 posted on 06/25/2012 6:08:24 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
That's debatable:

Yes, yes it is:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/anti-vaccine-propaganda-from-sharyl-attkisson-of-cbs-news-2/

As far as the trafficking of fetal body parts from abortions for profit, that’s criminal and immoral on every level and Federal law prohibits it and the law should be enforced without question and unethical companies and people skirting the law, punished. I do not disagree with you there.

However it should be mentioned that not all fetal tissues used in medical research come from abortions and some parents do choose to voluntarily and without payment, donate tissues from spontaneously aborted babies (i.e. miscarriages) for the purposes of medical research. That is perhaps a moral grey area for many (and on some levels for me as well) but then some parents believe that donating their brain dead children’s organs such as of the result of an accident and traumatic brain injury in order to save the life of another child is the right and moral thing to do, that out of great tragedy can come some good. I myself have considered donating my body after death for medical research and I am an organ and tissue donor as well as someone who regularly donates blood. That of course is my choice, not to be confused with “choice” as it comes to abortion, something that I am absolutely and unequivocally against.

But it should also be understood that if all abortions were outlawed today, if anyone engaging in the use of fetal tissues for medical research from this day forward were outlawed, that would not bring back to life the two babies aborted in the early 1960’s nor negate the untold lives saved due to the vaccinations that resulted in using those two cell lines. And if the use of those two cell lines were outlawed today and all vaccinations that are derived from growing viruses in those cell lines were prohibited, under current law, it would do nothing to stop or reduce the number of abortions.

As far as your other post claiming a supposed correlation (the old correlation automatically equals causation myth) between vaccinations and “That virus-laden DNA of aborted babies could be wreaking havoc on the DNA of healthy children is completely plausible.” First of all vaccinations that contain live or inactivated virus that was cultivated in human cells would at the very most contain such a minute and trace amount of any DNA from the cell line it was cultivated in as to be negligible if there is any at all, that is unless you proscribe to homeopathy (another junk science). And in those miniscule and fragmented amounts, there is no serious study that confirms this is at all harmful. If this was true, catching the common cold from another person, if say that sneezed on you and passed a bit of their DNA along with the virus, should also cause Autism, but it doesn’t.

Also the timelines for “increases” in the instances of Autism and vaccinations also very closely syncs to the increased awareness and diagnosis of Autism and the recognition of many cognitive and developmental and that were never clearly diagnosed or blamed on other factors and even “socialization” disorders such as Aspersers are now classified as on the Autism spectrum. Based on the new diagnosis protocols for diagnosing “Autism” many great minds would probably be diagnosed as having been somewhere on the Autism spectrum such as Aspersers – Albert Einstein for instance and he to my knowledge ever received any modern vaccinations as a child.

Autism’s cause is still a medical mystery and one I’m hoping will be solved and perhaps prevented in my lifetime due to sound medical research and not “junk science”. BTW ¬- I’m old enough to remember when Autism was blamed on “cold, unfeeling and “emotionally distant” mothers”. Mothers of truly Autistic children were made to feel as if they were to blame for their children’s condition. Now we are blaming mothers (and fathers) who and rightly so, vaccinate their children against potentially lethal diseases.

When the “cold mothers are to blame” was proved untrue, vaccinations containing mercury was blamed but when mercury was no longer used in vaccinations and the rates of Autism still increased, the anti-vax crowd looked to yet some other boogie man, some currently blaming it on the supposed and specious danger of the DNA from aborted “babies” in vaccinations as the cause. Next week, who knows? Some have now moved on to TV and video games and cell phone towers as this week’s boogie man. Some even think that GMO’s and hormones in milk and beef are to blame.

The bottom line is that vaccinations have save far more lives than the very small number of people harmed by rare and actually proven but unfortunate instances of side effects. Again, I’m old enough to remember when pregnant women lived in fear of contracting Rubella while pregnant and saw firsthand the horrific results of that disease in a cousin of mine just as my mother saw the horrific results of Polio in her day.

141 posted on 06/25/2012 7:31:48 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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