Posted on 07/04/2012 7:43:33 AM PDT by wintertime
It is not my expression. Ask John Stossel. He used it in his column this week.
Thank you.
imardmd1 doesn't think they are. You may want to read his/her posts.
And if I don't view this? You want to imply that if I tell you that I'm not going to "obey" you, that exercising my freedom to say "Stick it!" makes me a person of ill will?
Expressing your opinion is one thing, but you seem to be insistent that others swallow your opinion, hook, line, sinker, and bait.
Is that true, or am I just making things up?
As for the GED, you are **assuming** they are “not well-thought out”.
Hm?....My three homeschoolers were accepted to college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. Two graduated with B.S. degrees in mathematics at the age of 18. The oldest attended part-time while pursing a nationally and internationally recognized achievement in a personal avocation. He now has a masters in accounting.
Because the state forbade the taking of the GED before a state mandated age, these extremely gifted and scholastically highly accomplished children were denied **all** access to state sponsored college and university scholarships. Please, believe me. Tens of thousands of dollars later, our family has thoroughly, “thought-out” the age restrictions regarding the GED.
I am not ordering you to view the Charles Murray video, but a person who is arguing with a spirit of goodwill will.
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What I see is major unravelling around the edges. ( A symptom often seen in the **liberals** who defend the established educational-industrial complex.)
His/her posts are peppered with errors which contradict his/her attempts to appear erudite.
Your proven experience shines. “;^)
That’s “unraveling” with ONE “l”. I surely won’t want to offend the sensibilities of and lurking Grammar Nazis”.
Thank you, again. SOOOOOO much! :-)
Fewer teachers would be needed.While I agree that's a great thought, the teachers' unions will be all over that with massive campaign donations to prevent it from ever happening.
A better solution is to make public education illegal!!!
I agree with you.
Excellent video.
I just ordered his book. “;^)
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_14?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=real+education+charles+murray&sprefix=real+education%2Cap
The point I made is that you don't see how hilarious it is that you can't see that, in this case, your grammar error glaringly undercuts you own argument. That makes it significant. And because it's your theory and you are the poster -- yes, it is deliberately ad hominem, because you haven't met your own standards of the topic you propound. But in this case you undercut your own position.
Otherwise, it is of little (but not no) import, and I made that stipulation; and I don't engage in trying to destroy someone's argument by destroying their reputation in matters not integral to the argument.
I make mistakes myself, often mistypes and sometimes logical non sequiturs when trying to type fast enough to post before the topic goes dead. But, since grammar is essential to clear, effective communication, I try to be as precise as possible.
But I've been known to take correction, especially when the issue is clear and not debatable. Seems like you cannot. That's not my problem, then -- it's yours. The appropriate conciliating response then is "Doggone! You're right, and I was wrong! Thanks for catching that for me!"
On the other hand, though, my opinion is that your ideas in this particular post are half-baked. When you put them up, expect to have them tested without responding with a defensive-aggressive attitude. Then, you're just asking for a flame war without resolution. That's not interesting for me, or for others.
Just an observation --
I fully agree, but to do that support is needed from the voters. Getting that support is not impossible. Why?
—Homeschoolers are now 4% of the school-aged population, as officially reported by the government. This means it is likely 6 to 8% of this population. Attached to each of these homeschoolers are parents, close relatives, friends, and neighbors who see these children being educated for **pennies** a day, while they are paying school taxes that are in the 5 figures. That is not good for the educational-industrial complex at the voting booth.
— Add to this those children who are languishing on long waiting lists for vouchers, tax credits, and charters. These parents, relatives, friends, and neighbors are already a formidable lobbying group pushing for increased privatization of government cartel and monopoly on K-12 schooling.
—Homeschoolers have thoroughly proved that many young people can, and are, thriving in college, in business, the trades, and in their own small business **years** before their contemporaries are released from their government kiddie-prisons ( oops! “schools”). Relatives, friends, and neighbors are not blind to the reduced debt that these homeschoolers carry, but also the hundreds of thousands of extra dollars these kids will earn over their lifetimes. Rational voters will soon see that finishing school more quickly and efficiently pays off in dollars.
Each of the above removes children from the standard educational-industrial complex. The fewer the number of children being chewed up by the system, the greater will be the support for that nirvana of “Complete Separation of School and State”.
The liberal’s defense of the educational-industrial complex
The Marriott event's planner
The Animal Farm pig's owner
The party's planner
Do you get it?
Gee! I meant to give only two examples, but I really “got into it”!
1) That is why we have a Republic. We can test these ideas in one state before the entire nation is subjected to an idea .
2) When has the Marxist dominated education-industrial complex ever submitted its ideas to testing? ( Snort!) Honestly, we do NOT know if government schools even teach anything! Really we don't! We spend up to $30,000/ child/ year and NO ONE knows if government socialist-entitlment schools teach anything at all!!!
3) **NO** ONE has ever evaluated the massive amount of AFTERSCHOOLING and PRESCHOOLING done by the parents, the child through his home assignments and independent reading, and paid or unpaid tutors. It is entirely possible that the only thing up to $30,000/child/year does is send home a Marxist and godless curriculum for the parents and child to follow IN THE HOME! And...Even that curriculum is likely a tiny percentage of what the child actually learns IN THE HOME.
Yeah! I am shouting and jumping up and down and having a fit. Up to $30,000/child/year for a government program that has NEVER been tested??? Only the government could get away with this.
“The Real Cost of Public Schools”
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/real-cost-public-schools
I'm afraid your proposition then sounded manipulative, and the above reformulation still is.
You don't know what my background is, what my experience is, what my education is, what my personal philosophy is, what my views on education are, what my age is, or even what my gender is; but you propose to inveigle me into participating in modifying whatever opinion I have into being your opinion.
You certainly do not know how to persuade. Go sell your attitude somewhere else. I'm too arrogant to buy it.
This is something to consider. In my county, the government socialist-entitlement schools are the county's largest single employer. No other business comes close in the number of employees or overall payroll. I guess that's what Stossel means by the “education-industrial complex”.
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