Posted on 09/16/2012 11:52:44 AM PDT by fabian
Now celebrating 52 years of helping people on the radio! For over half a century Roy Masters has been helping people overcome their most difficult problems. As the nation’s first and longest running radio counselor, Roy Masters has advised callers with a unique ability to hear inner problems, heal fears and sexual stresses, and help people take charge of their own lives. Great show and exactly what the world needs! Here is a radio show stations page... http://www.fhu.com/radiostations.html
King James Version (KJV)
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Too bad and sad for the Apostle Paul? After 25 years as a Christian he said:
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. (Romans 7:14-25)
As long as we are in this human body, this flesh, we are subject to the law of sin and we continue to sin even though we have a new nature, a spirit nature, that lives for God. Christ has freed us from the penalty of our sin - which is eternal death in hell - and through the indwelling Holy Spirit, we are given the strength and grace to be conformed more fully to the image of Christ. But we will NEVER be perfected in the flesh until we go to heaven to be with our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and we will put on incorruption and immortality and sin will no longer have any place within us. If someone is saying we can be free of ALL sin, right now in this flesh, he is not speaking the truth.
Turn to Exodus 3, where Moses encounters God in the burning bush. God tells Moses that he is the one He has chosen to lead the Israelites out of Egypt.
Moses says to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me 'What is His name?'
Then what shall I tell them?"
God replies to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
God has said that His own name, His personal name, is "I AM."
Now...
a) Turn to John 8:56-58. Jesus is talking to the unbelieving Jews.
"Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing My day; he saw it and was glad."
"You are not yet 50 years old," they said to Him, "and you have seen Abraham?"
"I tell you the truth," Jesus announced, "before Abraham was, I AM!"
Jesus was the great I AM from before the beginning of time; He existed before Abraham ever was. He is claiming here to be the I AM of the Old Testament. Verse 59 says the Jews picked up stones to stone Him, but the Lord Jesus slipped away. The reason they wanted to stone Him was because stoning was the death penalty for blasphemy. He was claiming to be Yahweh--Jehovah--Almighty God--I AM. (Of course, it wasn't blasphemy when Christ claimed to be who He truly was!)
b) John 8:24. "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM, you will indeed die in your sins."
In your Bible, it may read "if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be...." The extra words are supplied by the editors; they're not in the original text. If you're familiar with Exodus 3 you don't need the extra words for it to make grammatical sense. The Lord Jesus is again claiming to be God.
c) John 18:4. In the Garden of Gethsemane, Judas and some priests and soldiers are about to take Jesus prisoner.
"Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to Him, went out and asked them, 'Who is it that you want?'
'Jesus of Nazareth,' they replied.
'I AM,' Jesus said.
When He said, 'I AM,' they drew back and fell to the ground." (Again, in your Bible the editors may have supplied "I am [he]" to make it grammatically correct. The Greek just says, "I AM.")
The force of Jesus' claim to be Yahweh (I AM) was so powerful that it literally knocked the arresting officers and the Jewish priests off their feet!
same ole mantra of brainwashed Christians...disregarding the fact that Jesus severed his father and said so many times.
fine..keep believing the lie.. : )
No. John is quite explicit. The verb “exomev” ("to have"), in "we have no sin," is present tense indicative plural. John includes himself, and puts it in the present tense. John has sin, I have sin, you have sin. John is saying this is our condition, and even his condition, right now. Then, as if anticipating the objections of the self-righteous, he doubles down and says if you think you don't have sin, right now, you are lying to yourself.
So for you to conclude this passage speaks of past sin, you are required to invent meaning that is just not present in this text. Sorry. You need to double check the logic that led you to your conclusion. There is probably an error if you look closely.
You also referred to those who believe in Christ's deity as dummies. Illuminate me. What is the difference between a dummy and a fool? Because if you are calling us fools (aka dummies), then how do you square your proposed sinlessness with direct disobedience to an explicit command of Christ regarding name-calling?:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Peace,
SR
Because I am not mad and still call you guys very gullible dummies! : ) Have a good one!
Paragraphs and spacing please. It would make the post easier to read.
Lets try that again, as some the Greek must look like html to the FR software :
John is providing a basic contrast btwn the with lost and believer, and as Martin stated in refuting Masters on the tape, John did not teach that born again Christian never sin, but as the Greek is in the continuous sense in 1Jn. 3:8-10; 5:18, and are contrasted with the lost, and as John told believers that they have forgiveness when they if they confess them, while those who deny they have sin are liars, then this refers to continually knowingly impenitently breaking God's law, rather than practicing righteousness.
As the classic scholar Robertson stated long ago,
The present active infinitive hamartanein can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of hamartanei in 1Jo_3:8 and hamartanōn in 1Jo_3:6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see hamartēte and hamartēi in 1Jo_2:1.
A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of hamartanein here. Paul has precisely John’s idea in Rom_6:1 epimenōmen tēi hamartiāi (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with hamartēsōmen in Rom_6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).
Other texts also confirm true born again believers sin, even if out of weakness, (Gal. 2:11) and may struggle with sin, such as of the heart. (Heb. 12:1)
J. C. Ryle does a good job of describing the attitude of the born again believer: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/rubornagain.html
Scripture also refutes that being born again is a process of growth, but a regeneration of conversion that results in growth.
Finally, John also taught that "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God," (1Jn. 5:1) and that Christ is God, (1Jn. 1:3) even the Lord whom Isaiah saw in His glory and said, "who shall go for US, (Jn. 12:34b-46; Is. 6:1-10) and he is faithful to record Thomas declaring so, as "my Lord and my God." (Jn. 20:28)
"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. " (1 John 5:20)
Masters denies that Jesus is one in nature with the Father, sounding like an ignorant Muslim in objecting to it, and which denial is most consistent with cults who likewise mix a little key poison in with much truth.
Masters is also akin to such in his wholesale denigration of Christian teachers - these being his competition - and the those who are born of God but must disagree with him, and exalting himself. Sounds more like Joseph Smith than John who said, that "we should love one another."
As one interviewer said,
In fact, he opposes any and all who claim to teach the truth, heal the sick, counsel the troubled, or lead the way to God.
"Anyone who has a remedy, a pill or technique to gain health and sanity," he emphasized, "--all the problem solvers--will be out of business when my message reaches the general public." (www.fhu.com/articles/healers_book1.html)
And rather than us guys needing to see Jesus as God to have one big excuse for sinning, that actually serves to deter sin, while Masters )and cults) sins in reducing Christ and Christians who dare oppose him, and exalting himself.
Which "lie" might that be, Fabian? That we still have sin in our lives after becoming Christians or that Jesus Christ is who HE claimed to be - Almighty God in the flesh?
Because, according to the PLAIN reading of Holy Scripture, both of those are true. The only way someone can claim that either of these truths are "lies" is by lying himself, and we know who the "Father of Lies" is, do you? Again, if you are being told that Jesus is NOT God or that humans can live sinless lives while still in the flesh, you are being deceived.
One more question for you...if Roy Masters is teaching that Jesus is not God incarnate (in the flesh) and that, through his methods anyone can live perfect sinless lives right here, right now, then he is a FALSE PROPHET and you should flee from being under his influence. Do his methods work for those who hold to Biblical truths or must one abandon these beliefs in order to be successful in Master's eyes?
Does Roy Masters consider "pride" a sin or is he only talking about the outward, bad stuff?
I certainly don’t want to be the Post Patrol.
I have trouble with very long paragraphs so I figured others do too.
Thanks for your reply,and thanks for the original post.
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Roy is not my God...God is. And He clearly shows me that you guys are pharisee type of dummies. I don’t feel prideful nor mad at all about that. I think it is rather sad actually how you guys allow the devil to trick your minds in such a diabolical way. O well.
Who is "showing you", Roy or God? The Pharisees were NOT dummies. In fact, they were the leading religious class high up the ladder of society. None of us fit that description here. That being said, please tell us how Masters has convinced you that those who are Christians who believe in the central tenets of the Christian faith as taught by Jesus Christ from the start are being "tricked" by the devil. Just what tricks are being perpetrated and upon whom? ...and please don't direct me to the guy's website, tell us in your own words.
Do Masters' methods work for those who hold to Biblical truths or must one abandon these beliefs (deity of Christ and sin problem) in order to be successful in his eyes? In other words, if a person wanted to follow Roy Masters, would he first have to let go of his beliefs about who Jesus is and accept what Roy Masters teaches about Jesus? Is this a prerequisite?
Yes they were dummies because they could not see their savior right in front of them. And you guys cannot see the very power of what Jesus did...no, you deny it mightily!
And Roy teaches a simple Be still exercise which is the actual tenant of “Be still and know that I am God” in the bible. What do you think it means by still? Obviously it is the mind where the devil tries to connect with us ever since Adam. That is his portal...but not if we detach and see the thoughts for what they are. God operates in a simple and wordless way just as when we were children, we did not have to think about things, we just acted with happiness. Jesus said we have to return as little children or we will in no ways enter the kingdom. His ways are much simpler than what you believe and has changed my life from deep suicidal depression, to a happy and prosperous man that is fearless. This is all from God...silent prayer daily and I am very very grateful for it. I don’t need to convince you nor anyone of the truth of it all, it is alive in my life. If you disagree with it and with Roy’s teachings, that is ok in my book. Not right, but your right to be wrong!
That is actually taken from their site and is not very well written. As Roy often says, he does not heal anyone, God works through people of faith and it is belief in God that does all the healing....not people.
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