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To: daniel1212

No you have not squarley dealt with the FACT. That there are many passages that say we are free from sinning and do not sin after salvation. And once again Jesus did not address him being equal to God in all his teachings and parrables....FACT.


387 posted on 09/26/2012 1:55:37 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: fabian; daniel1212
That there are many passages that say we are free from sinning and do not sin after salvation.

Like where fabie - more creative rewrites from masters?

1Jo 1:8 KJV - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:10 KJV - If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The bible says you are a liar fabie.

And once again Jesus did not address him being equal to God in all his teachings

Jn 8:57-59, Jn 17:5

Your 'facts' are fiction fabie.

388 posted on 09/26/2012 2:22:51 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: fabian; Tuanedge; Godzilla; metmom; boatbums; Springfield Reformer; CynicalBear

And car thieves have a hard time finding police stations.

Rather than many passages saying we do not sin after salvation, Scripture indisputably actually teaches that Christian do after being born, as shown, and i actually provided many texts and also deal with studious exegesis of the few texts that are asserted to teach Christians no longer sin after being born again, but which you do not and cannot honestly engage is, studying to show thyself approved by God, (2Tim. 2:15) supposing your esoteric understanding under your master Masters trumps all.

Thus as shown (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2931985/posts?page=377#377), even your understanding foundational verse of “be still and know” is not a result of Biblical exegesis, but the text is invoked to prove what it does not contextually teach there, or in conflation with similar texts.

In addition, it is evident that not all truth or morality is explicitly stated (is cannibalism always wrong?), but what the weight of Scripture warrants in studious prayerful conflation with the rest. But which exegesis is rejected under Masters in lieu of his supreme revelations which are not exegetically derived, and that alone is what he thinks is holy. Thus his aforementioned words, “The whole process of growing is not from words but from realizing and then you can throw your Bible in the garbage can and there’s no sin in that.”

Yet even the container of that which is holy is sanctified by what it contains, and Scripture is written revelation, and is the only transcendent source which is affirmed to be the assured Word of God, (2Tim. 3:16) and which noble souls searched in determining the veracity of the apostles preaching, (Acts 17:11) and the study of it was appealed to many times in substantiating the claims of Christ.

But rejecting this means of understanding, your real defense for your elitist claims in the face of refutation remains to be your esoteric revelations as supreme. But to such the words of Christ apply, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.” (John 9:41)


389 posted on 09/26/2012 3:22:19 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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