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Facebook post | 10/17/12 | Jeb Banner

Posted on 10/17/2012 9:02:46 AM PDT by The Louiswu

Romney loves to say that lowering taxes on companies
will create jobs. This is spoken like some gospel truth.
I actually stopped to think this through
tonight and came to a much different conclusion.

I believe that higher taxes actually encourages
increased hiring and investment. Why? Because, as a
small biz employer
(structured as an S Corp) all company profit flows
through to my (and Joe Downey's) personal taxes. As
both candidates regularly note, 90%+ of all businesses are structured this way.

So if you reduce my tax rate then I'm more likely to
take money out of the company since the penalty for
doing so (taxes), is reduced. Whereas a higher tax
rate means I'm incentivized to take a reasonable
salary and reinvest the money in the business- new
hires, marketing, etc, instead of taking it out and
paying the taxes. This will then grow my business.
So I hire more people, the economy grows and the
value of my business also grows. Everyone wins.


Also, consider what happens to the profit business
owners take out of their companies with this lower
tax rate. Will they reinvest it here or overseas?
Chances are they will do some of both leading to an
exodus of cash.

I am, of course, writing from the perspective of running
small businesses. An enterprise (think
Walmart) business may see this differently but from
where I'm sitting: higher taxes=encourage
reinvestment=more hiring.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: smallbusiness; taxes
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To: Thane_Banquo

Zactly!

If I have more money by way of lower taxes, I’m reinvesting that into the company and/or hiring more people to more work.

The bigger your army the bigger the wars you can fight.


21 posted on 10/17/2012 9:23:38 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: The Louiswu

An observation, small business is like the middle class. Without large engine businesses and large scale entrepreneurs, there is much less, or smaller scale opportunity to grow. Make it difficult for the larger businesses/entrepreneurs to forge a path through high taxes, silly useless regulations (with the force of law), and a hostile environment in which to conduct business, rather than expand to fill the volume, they will run closer to the bone.

Same thing goes for the middle class/small business. If it gets harder to expand due to artificial constraints (gov intervention) vs. market forces, of course it is going to be a closer to the bone operation.

calling it the middle class seems incorrect. In the real vice imagined-by-the-left class warfare, there are only two real classes, producers and consumers (makers and takers). The government taxes one to support the other.

.02, YMMV


22 posted on 10/17/2012 9:23:38 AM PDT by petro45acp (The question isn't "are you better off?" it should be "is it really the government's job?")
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To: Vendome
It looks like he runs a small marketing firm in Indianapolis..
http://www.facebook.com/smallboxweb

I just don't understand people today. How can he really believe the crap he is saying.
23 posted on 10/17/2012 9:23:38 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for America)
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To: The Louiswu

Undecided voter?


24 posted on 10/17/2012 9:27:11 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: The Louiswu

Taking money out of an S corporation is not usually a taxable event. Increasing taxes may encourage S corporation stock holders to take more out of their corporations to pay the taxes.


25 posted on 10/17/2012 9:27:45 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: The Louiswu

Jeb Banner
CEO/Co-Founder
SmallBox
a web design and marketing firm statrted in 2006
He has a web site http://www.jebbanner.com/

Some of the Article Titles
Raising Taxes To Create Jobs
The Case For Redistribution Of Wealth
Betting On Mitt Romney

Not worth the visit really. He is a Liberal


26 posted on 10/17/2012 9:28:44 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: The Louiswu

Higher taxes are passed on to the consumer which means higher prices which means less buying which means less business which means layoffs.


27 posted on 10/17/2012 9:30:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: The Louiswu
So if you reduce my tax rate then I'm more likely to take money out of the company since the penalty for doing so (taxes), is reduced. Whereas a higher tax rate means I'm incentivized to take a reasonable salary and reinvest the money in the business

Increases in production depends on increases in productive expenditure which depends on increases in investment which depends on both increases in savings and decreases in consumption. Savings is increased and consumption is decreased when tax rates are decreased and time preference (compelling present) is decreased.

28 posted on 10/17/2012 9:33:21 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: cripplecreek
"Higher taxes are passed on to the consumer which means higher prices which means less buying which means less business which means layoffs."

It does seem THAT simple.
29 posted on 10/17/2012 9:34:07 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for America)
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To: The Louiswu

Having lived in Indianapolis and still having many contacts there, I’m glad that this idiot has outed himself as socialist scum. I’ll definitely tell people I know not to do business with him.


30 posted on 10/17/2012 9:36:44 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: The Louiswu
Probably written by a Harvard Economist.
Quote from Arthur Laffer " You have to be an economist from Harvard to think that if you tax people who work and pay people who don't that you'll get more people working"
31 posted on 10/17/2012 9:39:31 AM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: The Louiswu

Businesses don’t pay taxes. There is no such thing as a business tax. Businesses merely collect taxes from their customers and investors.


32 posted on 10/17/2012 9:43:08 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: The Louiswu

I didn’t know Paul Krugman had a facebook page.


33 posted on 10/17/2012 9:48:57 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: The Louiswu

“Why? Because, as a
small biz employer”

I call BS.


34 posted on 10/17/2012 9:50:02 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Snuph

All “profits” at the end of every year are taxed - you are not allowed to keep a “business slush fund” at all. They flow through from the business to the company owners. Individuals pay taxes on their “salary” plus “profits” - anything that is not “expensed” as the cost of doing business (unlike a C-corp, where salaries are part of the cost of doing business).

Therefore, if you lower the individual tax rate on people making more money (small-business owners in S-corps) then they have more money “on hand” to hire more people.

In fact - although this person seems “stupid” it does show what I have been saying to all who will listen:

ROMNEY NEEDS TO DO A BETTER JOB OF EXPLAINING THIS.

Not every voter in the US has ever had an S-corp or an LLC, and they do not know he means when he says “small business owners are taxed as individuals.”

At the least he should say “small businesses are taxed as individuals - not as corporations, so lowering the tax rate on all incomes means you are lowering the tax rates on small business.”


35 posted on 10/17/2012 9:50:24 AM PDT by CruiseMates (recommendations, for Romney)
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To: The Louiswu

The typical liberal nonsense. I own and operate a business myself. Obama’s plan to raise taxes (already raised payroll deduction amounts for funds they are already robbing), increase regulations (which he has to a great degree already), and make business with 50 or more employees required to facilitate Obamacare coverage is going to kill the economy. In fact the fear of what he is implementing is scaring business, both large and small, and its making them afraid to hire any employees. We already have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world as it us. This man knows nothing about running a successful business other than to rob others and line his own nest. That’s what elite socialists do; all the rules apply to “everyone else” but them.

To the OP - running a car detailing or window washing business is nothing like running a real business with overhead and employees.


36 posted on 10/17/2012 9:56:55 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: DuncanWaring

I stopped reading at Facebook...


37 posted on 10/17/2012 10:01:58 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: jsanders2001

^ Also applies to running a home based Internet website design business. It’s not like running a “real” business. I know...my wife owns one too and it sure isn’t paying the bills. I bet you’re collecting welfare benefits and getting paid online through Paypal and not claiming it as income. Liberal jerk off. I should look him up and tell one of my buddies at the IRS to take a look at him. Oh wait that would be too Obamalike...


38 posted on 10/17/2012 10:04:53 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Edward Teach
"I stopped reading at Facebook..."

So how does the word "From" strike you? : )
39 posted on 10/17/2012 10:06:17 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for America)
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To: The Louiswu
It's very simple. If you own a Ditch Digging Company, get rid of the Caterpillar Bulldozer and hire 1000 people. Give each of them a Shovel and get to work.

You can write off all the Wages, the Back Braces and the Workman's Comp Claims, so your Taxes will be less.

BTW - I actually know a Lawyer who basically parrots the same logic in this article. I get a headache whenever we discuss anything but the Family Pets.

40 posted on 10/17/2012 10:07:10 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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