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To: Cronos
...."Is there something wrong with these churches?"....

Yes, but they aren't the Catholic church. Prots are generally fragmented. We aren't supposed to be. I could declare my house is a church and worship my lawnmower and support Obama if I chose in America. But allegedly, the Catholics are different.

I'm just saying the church has allowed this schism by ignoring dissent and division for decades. If I joined a church that worshiped a lawnmower, and then announced I coveted a washing machine, what do you think the church would say? If you are Catholic and then declare that Catholic doctrine is wrong, why not purge the non believer than put up with their blasphemy in the ranks? I'm just saying, the pope, or someone, should challenge these people and make it impossible to stay unless they submit to the churches teachings. I'm not talking about some interpretation of some Bible verse, but of child murder and sodomy. If the church cannot successfully defend against murder and sodomy from our own members, what good are we doing?

These are questions I've had for years now with little relief except for the occasional, "I know you are, but what am I", type retort from a fellow catholic. I had to watch Ted Kennedy for 50 years be lionized by the church after murder, drunkenness, fornication and adultery, all done out in the open. He was repeatedly elected by Catholics in his state and then got all the respect and pomp from the church at his death.

Answer me this,....Why is it no Catholic news person hasn't asked Joe Biden on camera how he justifies his religion with his political party? Fellow Catholics can't even bring themselves to embarrass a fellow Catholic. I'm just saying you either believe or you don't and it reflects on the church if they just do nothing and say nothing.

I don't know about you, but it shames me to know 50% of Catholics voted Obama. People pretend there is nothing wrong and to mind my own business, but I think it is my business. Everybody sits around saying someone should do something, but nothing happens,.....for 50 years. I'm just asking for something very simple, that someone from Rome lay the law down to the church. We will not sanction unbelief and sin in our ranks. I don't think that is too much to ask. Otherwise the church is just a money machine and a hobby for people that need something to do on weekends. It's almost as if they don't want to anger the sinners so they will just keep giving money. That's the only explanation I can come up with. The church is here to change lives and hearts and change the fallen world. If we just go along to get along, how are we different from them? By allowing this sin in our midst, aren't we guilty of the same sin? What change are we making if we say nothing to our own members.

I go through this every election cycle and then I have to just shut up for awhile or go crazy. But now look at us and where we are. The church has been persecuted for centuries and we vote in our own persecutors. How stupid is that? In the meantime, more babies die and sodomites marry in 4 more states. If Christ's church cannot make a difference, who can?

77 posted on 11/08/2012 11:32:31 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Thank you.

Inaction on the part of the leadership is not excusable with *Well, they ex-communicated themselves*.

It makes the leadership appear weak and ineffective, and is no deterrent to others who follow the same path. It’s the lazy, easy way out.

The church leadership is commanded in Scripture to address sin in the life of the people. Not doing so makes them culpable.

And this goes for ANY church. No church is exempt from obeying Scripture.


79 posted on 11/08/2012 2:21:37 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: chuckles
non-Catholics are fragmented dogmatically, but politically it is easier to control the way a congregation of 20 people in one location votes, rather than a number of large congregations across the country

We need to have more activity against this, correct

88 posted on 11/09/2012 1:39:00 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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