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To: Cronos
Been reading your comments to others about the "numbers".

First,many of the evangelicals you quote are black. It would be foolish to think they will not vote Obama if he had a tail and horns. You are still making excuses for the Catholic numbers. We have trouble in our midst and pointing to others won't fix anything. I've done it too and it gets the problem no where. My "I know you are, but what am I?", comment dealt with just this point. Prots could worship goats and that wouldn't change the fact that half of Catholics voted for Obama. My burden is how to get the Church's attention. I think their heads are so far in the sand they can't breath anymore.

I think it's a shame Jews vote for people who hate Israel, but that's none of my business. Prots vote the way they vote, but I have no say. My problem seems to be I have no say in the Catholic faith. Chasing evangelicals around doesn't fix anything in the Catholic church. What are we to do about the 50% that scoff at our own faith?

I say something should happen to them but the church fathers seem to disagree. If we are taught we are the true faith, what are we to make of the confusion in the church? So far it seems the right answer is to ignore and deny. It may make you feel good to point at others, but it fixed NOTHING in our church. Evangelizing evangelicals is fine, but what are you going to tell them if our church is splitting down the middle?

I have been watching Gateway church sermons in Dallas Tex over the internet for the last few weeks. He actually made statement from the pulpit on how to vote. He gave the scriptures to back it up and told them if they knew the right thing and did the wrong thing, that is sin. Are you going to follow God or your wants? Texas went something like 57% for Romney. I don't know about you, but I hear almost nothing that could be construed as voting advice from the church. The latest letter about religious liberty was about it. Now I doubt Osteen in Houston said a word because he wouldn't want to offend any of his flock. Which church is more like what is happening in the Catholic church? I fear it is more like the Osteen church. The Word of God is like a sword that divides. Ear tickling is not what we should be striving for.

99 posted on 11/09/2012 8:49:38 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles; Cronos
many of the evangelicals you quote are black. It would be foolish to think they will not vote Obama if he had a tail and horns.

Likewise, many of the Catholics who voted are Latino - a group with a large percentage voting for Obama.

Also, the secular vote is included in the numbers: those who identify themselves as Catholic but no longer attend Mass. A majority of church-going Catholics favored Romney (according to one study)... however, not by as wide a margin as Evangelicals did. And that is disappointing, especially after all the talk about the HHS Mandate, etc.

104 posted on 11/09/2012 12:12:47 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: chuckles
I just wanted to say thank you for your honesty and genuineness. I agree with you that as long as we are pointing fingers at everyone else, we will never deal with the elephant in our own house. I am an Evangelical and I would love to see ALL Evangels pull the rug our from under the Liberals. I look forward to the day that Catholics cease from being a “dependable” vote for Democrats, too.
124 posted on 11/09/2012 11:40:41 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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