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To: BigGuy22

“POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS

Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);”


229 posted on 11/22/2012 1:42:18 PM PST by Mimi3
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To: Mimi3

“U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);”
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Yep, that’s right. So, if you wish to show under that provision that the President lost his U.S. citizenship, you must first prove that he obtained naturalization in a foreign state (which has not been proved, and has in fact been denied by the State Department); and that, as a child, he did it “with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship.”

The State Department web page I quoted above also says:

“As already noted, the actions listed above can cause loss of U.S. citizenship only if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.”

So, mere naturalization would not do it. The presumption would be that the subject wishes to retain his U.S. citizenship unless proven otherwise. An affirmative act of renunciation is required.

Furthermore, the U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual says (www.state.gov/documents/organization/120538.pdf):

“i. Renunciation of U.S. citizenship and minors:

(1) Consult CA/OCS/ACS: Whenever you receive a request to renounce from a minor you immediately must contact CA/OCS/ACS. CA/OCS/ACS will not approve a Certificate of Loss of U.S. Nationality (CLN) for a minor without the concurrence of CA/OCS/L, and appropriate consultation with L/CA;

(2)Voluntariness and intent: Minors who seek to renounce citizenship often do so at the behest of or under pressure from one or more parent. If such pressure is so overwhelming as to negate the free will of the minor, it cannot be said that the statutory act of expatriation was committed voluntarily. The younger the minor is at the time of renunciation, the more influence the parent is assumed to have. Even in the absence of any evidence of parental inducements or pressure, you and CA must make a judgment whether the individual minor manifested the requisite maturity to appreciate the irrevocable nature of expatriation. Absent that maturity, it cannot be said that the individual acted voluntarily. Moreover, it must be determined if the minor lacked intent, because he or she did fully understand what he or she was doing. Children under 16 are presumed not to have the requisite maturity and knowing intent...”

So, the ball’s in your court. If you wish to prove that President Obama, as a child, not only was naturalized in a foreign country, but persuaded also the consular official that, at his tender age, he had the maturity to understand the implications of renouncing his citizenship; and not only that, but also that the State Department somehow lost all those records and continued to treat him as a citizen totally oblivious the the fact that he had formally renounced his citizenship as a child. And remember, we’re not just talking about the State Department under Hillary Clinton. Obama went to Indonesia in the 1960s; there have been many presidential administrations since then.

Have you got the proof? I’d love to see it!


233 posted on 11/22/2012 7:44:48 PM PST by BigGuy22
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