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To: afraidfortherepublic
Learn something every day. All I know about poodles is what I have picked up watching Rich train.

Their big male, Cooper, is the only Poodle with the top retriever titles in all three associations - AKC (Master Hunter), HRC (Hunting Retriever Champion) and NAHRA (Master Hunting Retriever). He hunts in Arkansas and Mississippi too.

40 posted on 11/27/2012 7:10:38 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

You have to read about Shangri-la Poodles and the development of the Red Standard Poodle. The red standard was first developed by crossing a small standard apricot with a large red miniature. But, these early breeding attempts did not hold their color until the breeders started introducing a black standard in the breeding cycle about every 3 generations (I think it’s 3 — it’s been a while since I read all of this.)

My daughter owns a red standard male whose pedigree goes back to the Shangri-la Kennels. There was a parallel program going on in Oregon at the same time as Shangri-la, and all of the red standard poodles are derived from those 2 lines, I think. My daughter’s red male is out of Red Kismet of Leatherstocking Kennels in NY. I’ve forgotten the name of the dam. My grandchildren named him “Rusty” which (I think) irritated the breeder who was calling him JR. (Red Kismet, Jr. )

Some history here, including Leatherstocking and a picture of my daughter’s dog’s sire, Red Kismet:

http://www.bijoupoodles.com/Redhistory.html


41 posted on 11/27/2012 7:44:37 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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