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To: butterdezillion

“Why are only the items from the request form excluded? Because those are the only ones that Onaka can’t interpret as being a request for verification that it is the CLAIM on the birth certificate. The verification request form is a request that those particular items be verified as the way the event happened. There’s no way to fudge that, so Onaka could not verify any of those things.”

I’m not following your logic here. According to Bennett’s e-mail to Dr. Onaka,

“Enclosed please find a request for a verification in lieu of a certified copy for the birth record of Barack Hussein Obama II. In addition to the items to be verified in the attached form, please verify the following items from the record of birth:”

Bennett specifically asks Dr. Onaka to “verify the following items from the record of birth”. So if Dr.Onaka cannot verify the request form items, how can he verify the additional items that come from the same record of birth?

Are you saying that Bennett’s request form says Oahu but the original birth record says something else?


100 posted on 12/31/2012 4:22:38 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

No, that’s not what I’m saying. Onaka verified that the information on the White House image is also on the genuine record. The WH image says Oahu, so the HDOH record does too. That’s why it doesn’t make sense for Onaka to verify the truth of some of those claims on the White House image but not others. That’s why it has to be presumed that he wasn’t verifying the truth of ANY of the birth facts - but was only verifying that those claims are “from the record of birth”.

See, “verify the following items from the record of birth” can easily be interpreted to mean “verify that the following items are on the record of birth”. And the only way to make sense out of Onaka’s mention of some things from the BC and not others is if he wasn’t verifying the truth of any of it, but was only verifying that the claims are on the BC - which also explains why he only listed information which had Bennett’s “from the birth certificate” language applied to it, and didn’t say he verified anything from the actual application, which is known to be a request for the TRUTH of the claims to be verified.

“Verification” can be used to mean many things, depending on what specifically you’re verifying. The application is a request for verification of the existence of a birth certificate and verification of the TRUE FACTS RELATED TO THE VITAL EVENT. IOW, birth facts.

A person could verify that the “date filed” was Aug 11th whether or not the BC that was filed that day was valid or not. That’s because it is not a birth fact, it’s a processing fact. Same thing with the dates of the signatures. Those are processing facts. So is the BC#.

The fact of the matter is that unless both Verna Lee and Janice Okubo have lied about how the BC’s were numbered and they were in fact numbered totally at random (which defies what is claimed in the CDC’s 1961 Natality Report AND the use of a Bates stamp), the HDOH has been changing around BC#’s. The only legal authorization for a new BC# to be issued to somebody who already had a BC# (like Stig Waidelich or Virginia Sunahara) is if law enforcement says they are in danger and a new BC has to be created in order to protect them - in which case a new BC# will be on the new BC. So the BC# switching strongly suggests that Obama was issued a new BC and had to be given somebody else’s BC# - supposedly for his safety.

And the kicker of that is this: in that instance, law enforcement can make up whatever “facts” they want and that’s what has to go on the new BC. So Eric Holder just had to say he wanted a BC made up that says it was filed on Aug 11th, was signed on Aug 8th by Dr Sinclair, etc etc.... and VOILA! There is is! None of it true, but all of it on a record at the HDOH as if it was true.

If that’s what happened with Obama, then none of those dates are necessarily true. But they are on the newly-created BC, and that is what Onaka verified.

What’s interesting is that Abercrombie started making noise in response to Judith Burges saying she was going to try again to get an eligiblity bill passed in AZ. Abercrombie said he was going to come up with the BC to clear this issue up, because it was going to cause problems in the 2012 election. Then there was the shooting that killed Judge John Roll, the judge who would have heard any challenges to the AZ eligibility bill that Abercrombie was publicly so worried about - and the Obama people were trying to make conservatives out to be these crazy, violent people. Just in time for Eric Holder to request a new birth certificate to be made, to protect Obama from these crazy Arizona birther-types...

But the new BC apparently wasn’t being created quickly enough. Abercrombie was asked by a columnist at the Star-Advertiser how his investigation was going and Abercrombie blustered around about finding something “actually written down” in “the archives”. That got Mike Evans wondering what was up so he called Abercrombie and Abercrombie told him he couldn’t find a birth certificate for Obama. So there was a serious problem holding up the creation of the new BC.

I suspect it was Abercrombie’s appointed HDOH Director, Neal Palafox, because next thing we knew (like about a week after the Mike Evans radio interviews, Palafox suddenly resigned and Abercrombie and the AG claimed that they hadn’t forced him to resign; Okubo said he resigned for personal reasons. But Palafox himself said he had no idea why he resigned. Eventually the liars were forced to admit they had forced Palafox to resign.

That allowed Fuddy the Yes-woman to take over and then we started to see real changes. All of a sudden “policies” that nobody had been obeying for the last 10 years suddenly cropped up, totally negating the statutes by keeping anybody from being able to see original birth certificates. All they were allowed to see was easily-manipulable computer printouts.

And then we started to see what we now know are switched-out BC#’s. Sunahara got his sister’s forged death certificate with a totally screwy BC#. Then Johanna Ah Nee showed up with a BC# that was screwed up. Then Stig Waidelich pulled a stunt with the HDOH and CNN to show a totally screwed-up BC#...

And then, with all these BC#’s switched around to make room for Obama, at last Obama’s forgery appeared. He has a real BC at the HDOH that claims those things, but apparently Onaka had the last laugh because a new BC can only be created for somebody who was actually born in Hawaii and Onaka knew they didn’t have a legally-valid record for Obama that would allow HI to determine that he was born in HI. Onaka knew that this new BC, if allowed to be presented as if it was valid, would be document fraud ON THE PART OF FUDDY, WHO FORCED HIS DEPT TO MAKE THE BC IN VIOLATION OF HI STATUTE.

Onaka has the responsibility to refuse to issue a certified copy of a BC he knows/believes was obtained through fraud. So he made sure that the copy that was sealed up in the envelope for Corley to pick up had the LATE and/or ALTERED stamps that were on Obama’s genuine, non-valid BC. Which is why the Obama people had to create the forgery - to hide the non-validity of the record.

So the timeline, the HDOH’s shenanigans, the forgery, the verifications.... they all make sense when you understand HI statutes and the evidence we have now.


104 posted on 12/31/2012 5:06:08 PM PST by butterdezillion
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