Switch, its what the MSM and the Liberals want you to do. Its Divide and Conquer. They want a one party system!!!! They know a 3rd party would weaken the Republicans even more, its a win win for them. They want only the 3 branches of Gov’t controlled by them. Think its bad now? WAIT!
They have a one party system now.
You will eventually figure this out.
“Switch, its what the MSM and the Liberals want you to do. Its Divide and Conquer. They want a one party system!!!! They know a 3rd party would weaken the Republicans even more, its a win win for them. They want only the 3 branches of Gov’t controlled by them. Think its bad now? WAIT!”
You are so right, er, by that I mean correct, you know;)
“Switch, its what the MSM and the Liberals want you to do. Its Divide and Conquer. They want a one party system!!!! They know a 3rd party would weaken the Republicans even more, its a win win for them. They want only the 3 branches of Gov’t controlled by them. Think its bad now? WAIT!”
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I hear what you’re saying, but are we to continue trying to be united around “leaders” who take the same positions as the Left? What’s the benefit?
The GOP in Congress is doing a fine job of causing Republican party abandonment all by themselves!
Switch, its what the MSM and the Liberals want you to do. Its Divide and Conquer.
How soon you forget we went all in with ROMNEY to get the kenyan out of the WH. This is what our payback is? Dems never did this to there base. NEVER.
Nobody will want to vote for these losers. Bye bye beltway GOP.
Switch, its what the MSM and the Liberals want you to do. Its Divide and Conquer. They want a one party system!!!! They know a 3rd party would weaken the Republicans even more, its a win win for them. They want only the 3 branches of Gov’t controlled by them. Think its bad now? WAIT!
The tired excuse of every GOP Liberal
I agree with you, and I cannot comprehend the logic behind going third-party. I can definitely see the reasons for doing so (the GOP is an obese lumbering beast inching towards obsolescence), and the reasons are truly valid. No argument there. The GOP has definitely been taking Conservatives for granted, and there is little difference between the GOP and the Democrats. I've even said in the past that a modern-day Republican is far more liberal than a Democrat during the Kennedy era, and by a substantial margin.
However, even though the GOP is a hot mess, going third-party really doesn't achieve much in terms of real change. All it does is simply make the Democrats a far stronger block since they will have more diffuse opposition. There are already a couple of conservative-esque third parties in existence, and all of them have absolutely zero impact. Of these, the Libertarian party is probably the largest, with the Constitution party being the more conservative, and both may as well not exist based on their impact. Look at Gary Johnson for the Libertarian party, or Virgil Goode for the Constitutional party. What effect did they have? Of the two parties, the larger one is the Libertarian party, and it doesn't even have a single seat in the House or Senate.
Now, I am not saying that people should just suck it in and continue doing what has not been working for the last several decades. Actually the last Conservative president the US had was President Reagan ...if GW Bush was a Democrat he would be the second most liberal president after Obama (with both operating with the spirit of FDR). Anyways, I am not saying people should just suck it in, but maybe the best approach is to try and change the GOP from within. The Tea Party was a vehicle that seemed to work well in 2010, and even though it has since been diluted (weak tea?) it DID show that the concept works, and works well.
That is probably the best way to do it ...to change things from the inside using the Tea Party or a similar vehicle. In my opinion, and I may be wrong, going third-party - whether it is a totally new party or adhering to one of the established third parties - would be a mistake looking at the track record of third parties over the decades.
Changing the GOP from within may be difficult, but it is possible. The 2010 mid-terms showed that it is possible to get grass-root based momentum going.
Going third party may make many 'feel good,' but that is all it is. RINOs need Conservatives to be part of the GOP, but Conservatives (unfortunately) also need RINOs. One without the other is not big/powerful enough to defeat the Dems, who - even when they fight internally still know that when it comes to voting they need to be homogenous (remember the PUMA nonsense that quickly dissipated when it came to the 2008 presidential vote, but had so many here believing it would lead to a McCain victory). RINOs without Conservatives will never win anything against the Dems, but in the same way Conservatives without RINOs will simply be a larger version of the Constitutional Party. Again the combined Liberal blocks that go under the Democratic Party moniker, neither the RINO-only GOP version or the Conservative-only Constitutional Party-type 'new party' would have a CHANCE of succeeding. Each needs the other!
The only thing is that for the longest time the RINOs have been in the driver's seat, controlling/manipulating/lying to the Conservative 'passenger' over and over again. At times almost making it seem like tacit threats - e.g. if you don't vote for me the 'other guy' will win, and that will be much worse. Which is why I said I can understand the reasons Conservatives would want to leave. However, 2010 showed that it is possible for the Conservative passenger to bump the RINO driver away from the steering wheel, and this is exactly what needs to happen.
My 2 cents and some warm spit, but to me it seems quite obvious that RINOs and Conservatives are like symbiotic political organisms, where each needs the other to survive. Or maybe like a man and a woman, where each needs the other to procreate even though they are both very different from each other. The man saying he doesn't want the woman, or vice-versa, simply means no more babies (even though I guess the stress levels will be down since the relationship/divorce is finalized). For the RINOs vs Conservatives the problem has been that the RINOs have been the dominating force ...the Tea Party managed to change that in 2010, not only knocking the RINOs back significantly, but delivering a huge surprise hit on the Democrats themselves! I also think it makes sense to stop donating to the RNC (they would only give it to RINO candidates) and start supporting Conservative candidates.
I think such a strategy makes more sense than simply creating another Libertarian/Constitutional party that has a lot of Facebook posts (my goodness, the level of silly FB posts the Libertarian party had for instance) but absolutely no impact.
Conservatives splitting away from the GOP, rather than finding a way of dominating the RINOs, would be the best gift the Democrats could ever get. Far more than a third Obama term.
Really? Boehner already needs to change his name to Flaccid B@$T@RD! How much more weak can they get?
Newflash, it is a one party system. Ask the folks who advised romney on how to run against obama. All socialists who tossed the election to obama. GOP-E?!? Apparently they love obama, they keep running losers.
Bob Dole. John McCain. Mitt Romney.
These guys represent you and ran the way you wanted them too or did they simply toss the whole thing to the left?
The GOP is over. Done.
A third party provides a point of resistance, you won't get it within the GOP.