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Please help! We've accepted she could choke on the feeding tube fluid, if that is true, but this doctor claims we will hurt her if we provide the feeding tube-- but it's going on weeks without proper food! She has only the no CPR on her DNR and no health care proxy (was always to a afraid to fill it out) but she has always expressed her feelings to the whole family in regard to nutrition and fluids.
1 posted on 01/06/2013 12:00:16 AM PST by MacMattico
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Move Her Now. Find Another Place. Get Another Doctor.


2 posted on 01/06/2013 12:07:22 AM PST by onona (KCCO)
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And get legal assistance ASAP!


3 posted on 01/06/2013 12:08:33 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: MacMattico; Texas Termite; .30Carbine; 68 grunt; 8mmMauser; admiralsn; Aggie Mama; al_c; ...

Logan’s Prayer Warriors...


4 posted on 01/06/2013 12:08:42 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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Ice chips put into her mouth. Chocolate pudding, fed carefully...there ARE ways of sneaking food into her body. Yes, I know she’s diabetic and shouldn’t have sugar. But still. GET CREATIVE.

She DOES need OUT of there....

I’d even go so far as to physically remove her to one of your homes.


5 posted on 01/06/2013 12:13:22 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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I agree with the others, move her tomorrow, or at least fire the doctor and get another.


6 posted on 01/06/2013 12:14:24 AM PST by Ditter
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Oh dear God.

I have no idea where you are, but please look into moving her now.

She needs another hospital and new doctors.

I’m praying right now.

If your family has a lawyer, call him now.

Were it me, I’d call the police right now, also.


7 posted on 01/06/2013 12:14:56 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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First - Here’s a prayer for your Mom - That God’s will be done and that she be held up in Jesus’ Holy Name.

Second - Your profile does not say what State you’re in. Not trying to be nosy, but trying to find local resources would be easier if we knew.


8 posted on 01/06/2013 12:19:04 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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Mac, I’d make a schedule of some sort so that one of you is with her, 24/7.


9 posted on 01/06/2013 12:19:26 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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Summon your priest and tell him you’re in dire need and you’re going to sue. He might be able to talk some sense into those horrid people tending to your cherished mom.


10 posted on 01/06/2013 12:22:25 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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Almighty Father, please heal and help MacMattico’s Mother, help the family obtain for her the care she needs, and surround her with Your angels to protect her from harm. Please, also, Almighty Father, tend to all their needs and send assistance their way. I ask this in the Name of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


12 posted on 01/06/2013 12:38:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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If she is responsive, try to get her feelings on the matter. Many times older folks reach a point where they feel they've fought the good fight and are ready to hangup the gloves. If this isn't the case, get her into another hospital with different doctors and nurses.

DNRs do get changed and many doctors and nurses just don't seem as interested in doing all they can for elderly patients.

From experience, I can tell you outcomes depend a lot on how much fight the person still has.

I'm sorry you are going through this. I went through the same with my father and grandmother. It's hard.

God bless both of you and help you and your family through this trying time.

13 posted on 01/06/2013 12:38:39 AM PST by Errant
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If you aren't happy......CHANGE HOSPITALS!!!!!

I'm not there so you have to make the decisions. Do you have medical Power Of Attorney? If you don't have POA, you could be overruled and yes, they WILL kill her. The feeding tube is uncomfortable, but it won't kill her. Even if they don't want the one down the nose, they can put one thru the stomach wall if needed. Kidney shut down usually has a fever, check that. If they ever have to use dialysis, usually the kidneys won't start back on their own.

This all happened to my mother after a stroke. They just let her die. It's about money. You get a certain number of days in hospital, they you mover her to a nursing hospital for 21 days, NOT 22! On the 21 day, you must take her home or put her in a nursing home. When her money runs out, you go on medicaid. That's the normal scenario. I can't be forceful enough about this. IF YOU DON'T DO IT, NO ONE WILL! They are looking to get the bed back.

You must take positive action to find out what is being done, ask for another doctor's opinion, make sure you follow her vitals, Make sure you know what tests are done and what the results are. Look up the results on Google. Don't be fooled by the doctor. They are looking out for themselves and the hospital. Your mother is way down the list of their concerns.

It is hard to figure out if they are being reasonable, or just pulling the plug, especially when emotions are involved. My mother was cut loose from the nursing hospital in 21 days exactly and I only had about 4 hours to get her a nursing home. They had 4 bags of antibiotics on her in the hospital, but miraculously she didn't need any more on the 21st day. They cut her loose to go to the nursing home. She was dead in 7 days. I was with her all day and half the night, every day. The nurses acted as if everything was normal. Her kidneys shut down and she died of infection. She complained of thirst every day, but they said nothing by mouth. Supposedly she got fluids in her feeding tube. I'm not a doctor, but now we will never know. Her crime, ......she was a 3 time cancer survivor. IMO, they didn't want to spend anymore money on her at 80. She was healthy and getting better when she left the hospital. In the nursing home, it was downhill every day. She couldn't go back to the hospital for the same condition. All this goes unsaid till she dies.

I'm praying for you for wisdom and discernment, and for your mother to get a healing touch from God. God Bless.

14 posted on 01/06/2013 12:41:24 AM PST by chuckles
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Prayers for your mother and your family.


15 posted on 01/06/2013 12:46:26 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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Are you in a city /

The country?

Is medical care nearby or far away?

17 posted on 01/06/2013 12:52:15 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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Praying for your mother and her doctor. (working both ends)


19 posted on 01/06/2013 12:55:46 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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It sounds like they might be giving her drugs to make her sleep. I have seen this done with elderly patients before...and worse. If she sleeps, she doesn’t try to get out of bed. She doesn’t ask for anything. She doesn’t bother anyone. No problem.
Find out immediately what kinds of medications she is receiving, and if they will not SHOW you and explain to you every single one, why she is receiving it, what the effects are, etc., get an attorney and force the issue.
My prayers are with you.


23 posted on 01/06/2013 1:10:50 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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I'm going to sleep now for a little bit and then going up to the hospital. I will have my iPhone and read any comments posted. I thank all of you. If people are wondering why I'm posting here during this time it's because I feel I can always count on getting some good advice from right minded people on FR. I'm a little calmer and can approach the doctor without immediately attacking him. If he refuses to listen I can call an attorney, another hospital, another doctor, knowing there are people out there that don't even know my family that agree with us, that we are not alone.
25 posted on 01/06/2013 1:18:35 AM PST by MacMattico
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HELP!!!


27 posted on 01/06/2013 1:20:06 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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Get. A. Different. Doctor.

My mother had ovarian cancer which turned out to have metastasized throughout her abdomen. It was unlikely that she would survive it, but still, days and weeks are precious when a family is saying goodbye. I think my mom’s doctors deliberately hastened her death as well. (For her own good, of course. I’m sure they really thought that.)

Get a different doc right away. Insist on it. Move her to a different hospital if you have to.


32 posted on 01/06/2013 1:39:25 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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Sorry for the double post.Also Hospital’s have a Patient Advocate.Ask for one.Someone needs power of Attorney,start that tom.In Pa it could not be a family member.You will need 3 signatures and notarized.I printed the form off the internet.They give you the information on each state laws there.I was able to get it done in 2 days.They drugged my Mom up so bad she forgot to breath.She was to be released the next day.Freepmail me if you want to talk and we will pray,((((Hugs)))Fatima


33 posted on 01/06/2013 1:42:30 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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