Wonderful insights, dear Kevmo!
Here we are again, back to that puzzling crittur, TIME. It has been suggested that TIME as experienced by human beings — that is, irreversible, linear time inexorably moving from past to present to future — is merely a sort of convention that we humans use to order events that take place in our experience. It has subjective reality for us; but (arguably) has questionable objective reality.
Upon further reflection, it should be obvious that a "plan" which orders "events" does not and cannot "sit" on the same timeline as the "events." Or as you note, the "observer would never see the plan, only the outcome of it."
The way I imagine this problem is to view the linear conventional time of human experience as a horizontal line; the "plan" resides on a vertical time-like extension that supervenes WRT events on the horizontal.
And the same is true a fortiori with respect to universal laws. Or as you say, "Some information is independent of time," and thus can never be directly observable. Entities (for lack of a better word) along the vertical time-like extension are only known and knowable by their effects — which we can directly observe.
I suggested in an earlier post that C — the speed of light — is a time-dependent measure associated with the "horizontal" timeline. Yet Alamo-Girl has noted that photons "travel" along a null path — which is to say they do not "travel" at all. So how can they really have speed, velocity?
And you observed that "C" pops up in a vast number of mathematical equations describing the laws of universe (which to my way of thinking — right or wrong — disport themselves along the vertical time-like extension whose "entities" we never directly observe.
'Tis quite a conundrum!!! HELP!!!
Regarding "aliens" having anything to do with the creation/evolution of our little "mini-universe" and the lifeforms within it, I totally agree with your statement: "I have such high doubts that ‘aliens’ were involved that I consider it an impossibility." Indeed. So much for "panspermia theory," which I regard as just nuts (on Occam's Razor grounds). This theory begs the question of the origin of the space aliens — so where does it really get you???
But then such folks as propose such patent nonsense are the sort that will propose ANY theory, just as long as it obviates the need of a Creator God — in their own imagination. They would turn themselves into pretzels if their "theory" needed it.
It's just NUTZ, or — not to put too fine a point on it — psychotic.
Thank you, dear Kevmo, for your enormously thought-provokative essay/post!
The way I imagine this problem is to view the linear conventional time of human experience as a horizontal line; the “plan” resides on a vertical time-like extension that supervenes WRT events on the horizontal....
I suggested in an earlier post that C — the speed of light — is a time-dependent measure associated with the “horizontal” timeline. Yet Alamo-Girl has noted that photons “travel” along a null path — which is to say they do not “travel” at all. So how can they really have speed, velocity?
And you observed that “C” pops up in a vast number of mathematical equations describing the laws of universe (which to my way of thinking — right or wrong — disport themselves along the vertical time-like extension whose “entities” we never directly observe.
‘Tis quite a conundrum!!! HELP!!!
***The conundrum is addressed by supposing that ‘C’ is not a constant. It is a function of (not only time) but perhaps something else, such as INFORMation that, as you suggest, cannot be ‘seen’ on the horizontal scale of time, because the INFORMation existed before time and time laps upon the boundaries like the sea on the seashore.
My impression is that there are precious few islands of information that poke their heads above the seashore of time, but Columbus thought there was just a few islands between him and China when he embarked on his 2nd voyage.
Since C is a function of (not only time) but perhaps something else, such as INFORMation, then Einstein’s E=MC^2 is more like E=MC(Information)^2
Regarding “aliens” having anything to do with the creation/evolution of our little “mini-universe” and the lifeforms within it, I totally agree with your statement: “I have such high doubts that ‘aliens’ were involved that I consider it an impossibility.” Indeed. So much for “panspermia theory,” which I regard as just nuts (on Occam’s Razor grounds). This theory begs the question of the origin of the space aliens — so where does it really get you???
But then such folks as propose such patent nonsense are the sort that will propose ANY theory, just as long as it obviates the need of a Creator God — in their own imagination. They would turn themselves into pretzels if their “theory” needed it.
It’s just NUTZ, or — not to put too fine a point on it — psychotic.
***Well, I don’t think of MHginTN to be psychotic, just mislead by folks such as Erik Von Dhanikan who completely ignored the available archaeological evidence, plus other things.
What are your recommendations in terms of continued debate with him, since he’s becoming so shrill?
The INFORMation of the galaxy existed before those galaxies ever began to spin. The information is an aspect of creation that is outside of TIME. Some information is independent of time.
***Here is a physics finding in support of that assertion.
Entanglement Between Photons that have Never Coexisted
It is possible to entangle photons through both space and time.
Entanglement ignores time as a factor in causation. You can entangle a
photon with another even if the second does not yet exist.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.4191v1.pdf
Entanglement Between Photons that have Never Coexisted