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To: Cap74
large scale disasters like Waco

The evolutionary purpose of dogs living with humans is they provide an early alert an impending raid by other humans. Police hate dogs because they blow their surprise advantage during raids. Police departments are now buying gun silencers for the sole purpose of shooting dogs without blowing their cover. The mistake they made in Waco is when the raid started they immediately shot the dogs. From the perspective of the occupants the attackers opened fire first. Their natural reaction was to return fire and defend themselves.

75 posted on 05/26/2013 3:25:06 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses
>"From the perspective of the occupants the attackers opened fire first. "

The perspective was the same for the attackers.

Same as Ruby Ridge. Sniper shot and killed his wife as she held their baby. The attackers here and there fired first. Surprisingly the said same sniper was at both locations.

It's a police state. Our govt burned 70 some odd American Citizens alive, and nothing happened to them!

76 posted on 05/26/2013 4:03:01 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Reeses
The mistake they made in Waco is when the raid started they immediately shot the dogs. From the perspective of the occupants the attackers opened fire first. Their natural reaction was to return fire and defend themselves.

Absolutely. I don't know if it is universal, but most police departments at all levels consider a working police dog to be the equivalent of an officer in regards to being assaulted. One who attacks a police dog will be charged with 'assaulting an officer.' I don't have a problem with this. As you point out though, that can work both ways. Force, especially pre-emptive force, used against a citizen's dog must be reviewable and must constitute police misconduct if proven to be unnecessary. It seems to be a growing trend that police can kill dogs with impunity regardless of whether they are attacked, all in the name of 'officer safety.' Just as they would, I'd consider the shooting of my dog as an attack on my family. In a worst-case scenario such as a mistaken address no-knock warrant or something like the event in the article, my instinct would be to react with force. That would be disastrous.

This is why I no longer trust police. In any potential confrontation with them that arises from a mistake or misjudgment, my life is perhaps at risk and my property, family and freedom and legal status are absolutely at risk. For this, I blame politicians and culture rather than the police themselves.

82 posted on 05/26/2013 5:50:57 AM PDT by Cap74 (You can disagree with me. You can attack me. Do not lie to me.)
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