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To: JCBreckenridge
Yeah, it is my decision to make to try to keep someone from running into a burning building.

No, it's not. As a free human being, my life is mine to decide what to do with it. If I decide to risk it to safe my child, that is my decision to make. I don't need any nanny-state power-tripping control freak deciding for me.

I can no more let you go and die than you can go and let your son die.

My son is my responsibility. I am not yours, despite your beliefs to the contrary. I neither want nor need your 'protection.' As a grown adult, you are not responsible for my actions.

If I let you in

'Let' me in? Once again, it is not your place to 'allow' me to risk my life.

C.S. Lewis said it best when it comes to people like you who think they are better equipped to make decisions for other people than the person himself: "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

85 posted on 06/05/2013 7:51:31 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: tnlibertarian

“No, it’s not. As a free human being, my life is mine to decide what to do with it.”

If I see someone trying to run into a burning building I am going to try to stop them, because I have a human obligation to try to save their life.

“If I decide to risk it to safe my child, that is my decision to make.”

And I have an obligation to try to stop you.

“I don’t need any nanny-state power-tripping control freak deciding for me.”

Ok, so let me ask you something then. You see someone on a bridge and it looks like he’s going to jump. Do you get out and try to save his life, or do you drive away and carry on with your day?

“My son is my responsibility. I am not yours”

Yes, you are my responsibility if I see you trying to run into a burning building and I am in a position to intervene. Again, I have an obligation as a human being to try to save your life.

“I neither want nor need your ‘protection.’ “

Well, tough beans. You’ve got it.

“As a grown adult, you are not responsible for my actions.”

Actually, that is not true here - the police officer is responsible if he lets you run into the building. This is negligence on his part because it is his job to keep the building secure and keep people from running into it and dying.

So, not only does he have a human obligation to save your life, he has a professional obligation to keep you out of the building.

“Once again, it is not your place to ‘allow’ me to risk my life.”

It’s my obligation as the police officer to keep everyone out. This includes you.

I sincerely doubt that C.S. Lewis would countenance letting someone kill themselves. I have an obligation to try to save your life if I see you rushing into a burning building.


88 posted on 06/05/2013 8:10:21 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: tnlibertarian; dragnet2

Just pinging a few of the posters on this thread to post 89.

It galls me that so many FReepers knee-jerk over an idiot TV news report that has little to no info.

Not saying the Express News report is actual and factual, but it makes sense to believe police and fire officials KNEW the poor baby was dead and thats why they prevented the father from becoming another victim.

Read more here...

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Family-s-sunshine-dies-in-East-Side-fire-4569644.php


93 posted on 06/05/2013 8:40:29 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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