Posted on 06/15/2013 10:29:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Microsoft was hoping Windows 8 would be such a hit with enterprises that they'd stop using Windows XP, an aging operating system that debuted in 2001. That hasn't happened, but HP thinks enterprises will have no choice but to upgrade to new PCs when Microsoft stops releasing security fixes for XP next April.
"We think this will bring a big opportunity for HP," Enrique Lore, SVP and GM of HP's business PC unit, said in a press conference Monday on the eve of HP's Discover customer conference, as reported by Computerworld's Patrick Thibodeau.
Lore said 40% to 50% of businesses are still using PCs running XP. But HP isn't assuming they'll upgrade to Windows 8 PCs.
John Tomesco, an exec in HP's PC and printers group, told IT World Canada's Nestor Arellano that businesses could choose Windows 7—which he described as "a very popular OS"—or Windows 8, depending on their needs.
Microsoft has been trying to get XP users to upgrade for several years now. But Windows XP still had about 38% of the worldwide PC market in May, according to NetMarketShare.
Enterprises will have to upgrade before next April because that's when Microsoft will stop pluggin security holes in XP. Many will choose Windows 7 because they don't want to train employees to use Microsoft's new Metro interface in Windows 8.
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I think I am going to spring the extra $250 for the Fusion Drive.
“Don’t knock what you don’t know. Tablet-based work is still work.”
I can’t do my job with a tablet. Fact. It would be stupid and unnecessary when a PC is perfect for the job. I do data entry.
“In fact, IT can limit the tablet to just doing work-based tasks, and by keeping storage of documents on the net”
AHAHAHAHA.
Please. Tell me who you work for! Yeah, I’m sure the cloud is where you want to keep important business documents as opposed to secure on site storage.
“But tablets are cheaper, more portable”
FACT. I can do my job perfectly well with a wifi connection and a computer that costs 250 bucks. IPADs start at 500.
So, no. Tablets are not in fact cheaper. They are more expensive and I cannot do my job with a tablet. I’m far faster with a properly designed keyboard and a large screen.
And I keep all my important documents off this laptop and in secure storage that isn’t connected to the internet. Can I send the data? Absolutely - but the data is secure in an external HD should anything happen to the laptop.
“But heavyweight OSes are overkill for many business tasks. Running a pay point? (Used to be called a “cash register”?) Writing sales pitches? Filing an expense report? Communicating via e-mail or IM?”
Hahahahaha.
Yeah, I can really type quickly on a tablet. By the time you’re done punching in your four word sentence, with your thumbs I can type a page. Plus I can do it all day. Sure, a Tablet can do all these things, but a laptop does them better. A cheap end laptop is actually cheaper than the tablet, so it’s not cost.
“If the task could be done 12 years ago with an XP computer, odds are that the task can be done today”
HAHAHA. I’d love to see a developer working with a tablet or someone doing data entry on a tablet.
“There goes PC sales down the toilet.”
What is there to be afraid of? A tool that works less well, that’s more expensive that has fewer capabilities? Sure, when you’re done playing games on the bus to work on your tablet, you get into work and work on your laptop that’s far easier and much better designed to actually get work done.
It ain't the same and I have experience with both.
I can navigate myself around in XP without thinking, not so with Win 7.
Win 7, like I said, is good, but I still prefer XP.
Maybe just need more stick time using 7.
It’s a tiny app, and it works beautifully on all of the Office Suite apps, once you install it.
I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. I agree with you that 8 has some problems with it, but I’ve had no BSODs in 6 months now with win 7. The only crash issues have been the responsibility of an individual program (which has known bugs), not 7. And 7 doesn’t lock up or whatever. Just lets the program crash and you shut it down and the OS runs fine.
Some of the mobile guys are pushing “Mobile First” in the marketplace - develop your app for the mobile marketplace first. If it’ll run on a tablet or smartphone, it will run on a PC.
It is an interesting approach, I’ll be curious to see if we see it happening.
Heck yeah! I feel more comfortable continuing to use XP with 13 years worth of "security updates" (so they say) under its belt than some new crapola that is just starting out on a decades-long journey of *all new* "security updates" (or so they will claim). Why go back to Square 1? *And* they keep messing up the UI with each new iteration of their OS. Why?????
Hardware ages and can be replaced easily before or when it fails. 'Code' will just keep on running forever on working hardware. It does not age. That claim is just a stupid marketing ploy.
Apparently not.
Maybe that's why it never seems to "go away"..
Which begs the question: Since MS has such a great product in XP, why would they not keep improving it and selling it? Sometimes it seems like even MS wants XP to "go away". It's a real head-scratcher.
What task on 7 do you find particularly confusing and hard to do? I’m just curious here. It would be good to know to help people updating from XP to 7 to make the transition easier.
WoW
I let it run since my original post.
45 minutes later, I have video and a log on screen.
I don’t trust it.
The replies in this thread prove the notion I read about years ago that when its finally clear that the traditional old ‘grampa box’ PC form factor and desktop OS is finally on death’s door, it will be a time of bafflement and lethargy as to what is to replace it in the traditional business environment.
Enthusiasm for PC tech is next to nothing these days. Nobody cares about AMD vs Intel CPU battles. There’s zero ingenuity in big old business PC development. Most people not in IT/MIS in the corporate world connect to the workplace information stream with smartphones and pads. Traditional email has been surpassed by IMs, SMS, Skype, and app-sharing video conferencing suites. The big cubic rectangular sheet metal case PC is becoming the least popular way to interface with your workplace anymore, byte by byte. Don’t even get me started on what a bloated garbage pile MS Outlook is.
Corporations don’t even bother investing in infrastructure anymore from the back office to the employee desktop. I barely even see laptops anymore in the office environment. Much non-critical business data is handled by the cloud on personally-owned devices. Home users have faster Internet connectivity and larger downstream bandwidth through their cable company than many workplaces offer at the business premises. Microsoft’s desktop OS is still stagnant in the world of complex UNC paths, server farms, and relics of the last generation when by all rights this ancient crap should have long ago been made transparent to the end user like pads and phones have accomplished. MSFT has nothing to compete with in this arena. Windows8 and Microsoft Phone sales prove that miserably. Surface is a sad joke. No surprise, as MSFT didn’t even see the direction the web was going. None of this will change until the whole rotten structure comes crashing down, and both the foundation and ceiling of the Windows PC is finally giving way.
These last several years of economic downturn, job loss, and curtailed corporate spending to keep the lights on proved two things: If you lose your job they won’t bother replacing you now that they’ve figured out how to get along without you, and secondly, anyone still using a PC can get by with an outdated six year old PC running Windows XP/2000.
I’m still enslaved by the PC grampa box at my workplace. I do MSSQL development and VB.NET business ops and still have to do all the rotten backend work of DLLs, OCXs, XML, SQL, .ASP, and SOAP. I need to have my PC running 24 hours a day with dozens of active apps running at once and leave my system up with development windows open for the dev I’m doing. Yet, every Wednesday evening Microsoft automatically reboots my machine to apply the weekly Windows Update ‘fixes’ to its train wreck of an operating system because our corporate group policies demand it for the security compliance standards we must adhere to. My Apple hardware maybe updates twice a year. Microsoft completely sucks donkey balls by comparison. You’re better off not even using MSFTs own development tools like VSS to develop for the tech they invented. We don’t even need MS Windows for development except for unit testing. How sad.
The problem MSFT set in motion years ago was that they sat on their laurels, let themselves become outdated and boring, and every talented developer went elsewhere. Last person I knew that visited Microsoft said that Redmond is filled with nothing but pregnant female H1B visa holders who just maintain the old garbage. It’s like a complete reversal from when I contracted there.
If I had a time machine, I wouldn’t use it to kill Hitler. I’d use it to kill Microsoft and ensure that Apple took over the business computing world back in about 1985.
Okay, /rant off
Would you have bought XP2 with your XP working well enough?
I’ve had 7 Pro running on 2 topline HP PCs, since 2009, and no BSODs or app crashes, so far. It’s been flawless. These are OEMs, not upgrades. After 8-9yrs on XP Pro, it took a day to get familiar with 7, but I like it better than XP.
You know, anyone who read your post realizes that your weren’t talking about your PC or your OS. You were really talking about your need for a standard sized keyboard.
OK,I agree.
I’ve got this HP laptop that was dead.
See me prior posts.
I let it run, and for nearly an hour and now I’m in.
I’ve done this before with no luck.
AN hour to boot up ?
MS Vista
I am reluctant to push any buttons.
I really don’t see the fascination with tablets. I honestly just don’t see it. I can do everything I need. Skype, etc, whatnot with a cam on a laptop and it’s easier and more comfortable than running it with a tablet.
Most folks I know run a tablet as a supplement not a PC replacement. For the times when they want to be out and around and not have to carry a laptop in their backpack. That’s about it. Or for playing games on the bus, talking with friends, etc.
Which makes sense. The tablet does have things it does better on the go - but it’s not really a laptop replacement.
As for MSFT - apple fanbois should love 8. It’s totally ‘metro’.
Standard size keyboard and laptop. Neither of which a tablet provides, and I can pick both up along with plenty of other things for about half the cost these days.
If it wasn’t for the occasional need for mobility - I could run just fine on an old tower these days now that I have a car. Same as I was 15 years ago. I’ve thought about going back to that - since you can build a decent rig for cheap, but I’ve gotten used to a laptop and it’s quirks. :)
Tablet? What on earth for? It does nothing that the laptop doesn’t already do.
One Win7 64 pro, one 32 personal upgrade from Vista. Both have been solid. You probably do more than I do with a machine, but I do more than an average user.
Heck, if they's open-source Win98SE (saying it's antiquated tech) they'd garner a lot of goodwill.
OpenVMS... Hmmm... That explains a lot, and I'm very sorry. I'm sure Brian, Dennis, Ken, and Rob are just heartbroken! ;-)
Mark
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