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When Windows XP Goes Away, HP Thinks Businesses Will Start Buying PCs Again
Business Insider ^ | 06/15/2013 | Kevin McLaughlin

Posted on 06/15/2013 10:29:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: mikrofon

It’s not just nostalgia for the good old days of command line interfaces, it’s a regret that a simple and powerful command line interface to the OS was not put into Windows, even though Windows was designed by David Porter (?) whom MS hired away from DEC, which had DCL running under VMS, later OpenVMS, perhaps the best ever OS shell, which continued to be available as VMS gained its own windows interface.

I don’t know this new Windows shell, mentioned above, that I’ve heard of but never used. Can it get into the guts of the OS? can it update the registry, or view it? Can it show us what the OS is doing right now?


161 posted on 06/15/2013 6:18:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Zeneta

I can buy any number of Dell “business class” laptops from my work when they go off warranty for $100+tax ,, typically they’re 14” core2-duo , 4gb ram and 160gb drive ,, freshly reloaded with XP ... If you want one let me know..


162 posted on 06/15/2013 6:23:37 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Neidermeyer

I may take you up on that.

I’ve owned a dozen or more Dell desktops and even more local knock offs. 3 or 4 Hp/Compaq boxes that have all failed.

Dell boxes seem to be the most flexible although I’ve never owned a Dell Laptop.

I don’t think I would buy anything other than a Dell machine in the future.


163 posted on 06/15/2013 7:02:11 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm not an “enterprise” but I have four functioning PCs...a laptop and 3 desktops.The laptop and one of the desktops are up to date machines running 7...the other two are old clunkers that run XP.I plan to run 7 just as long as I can,which could be quite a while given XP’s longevity and reliability.
164 posted on 06/15/2013 7:02:33 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Revolting cat!

It’s interesting you mention VAX/VMS, as I got my feet wet on DEC mini’s before the intro of PC’s & related networking. Even then after that it was using Banyan VINES before they settled into MS — Windows GUI was a fairly late-comer. Windows 7 is where the thrust of the req’d support is now.


165 posted on 06/15/2013 7:25:03 PM PDT by mikrofon ($#.IT Happens)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Yowch! Too many acronyms for me to follow your rant. Care to X-plain in non-geek lingo?


166 posted on 06/15/2013 8:41:33 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Zeneta

Yes, I have been a faithful Dell owner for many years. But now, they are going out of business. Where does that leave us Dell-forever users?

My laptop is a Lenovo and it’s been pretty good.


167 posted on 06/15/2013 8:44:12 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Dell is NOT going out of business.

They are just going private.

They are engaged in a buyout that will remove them as a “publicly traded” company.


168 posted on 06/15/2013 8:49:09 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

OK. I haven’t been following this that closely, I admit. So, you will still be able to buy Dell computers? And, are Dell computers still as good as they were in the past?


169 posted on 06/15/2013 8:50:23 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Dell going out of business?


170 posted on 06/15/2013 8:53:14 PM PDT by kempo
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To: kempo

It is being restructured somehow, but I am wondering if Dell Computers will continue to exist.


171 posted on 06/15/2013 9:07:24 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC
In short, there's no good reason anymore for having a desktop Microsoft Windows PC, even a Windows laptop -- and this is both in the workplace and home environment. The worldwide user base -- both corporate and private -- has already spoken with their wallets and market isn't lying.

If you run a business and you want to continue running on the cheap, the Microsoft Windows solution that you've got right now probably doesn't need upgrading except to replace failed hardware. Next to zero reason to invest in anything that Microsoft is trying to sell, or any other PC hardware manufacturer. Just continue to use your junk pile until it croaks. The sales figures aren't lying here either, now going on several years in this shaky economy.

If you're a common end-user who can't get by anymore with your junky old PC or laptop and are looking to buy something new to replace it, there's better options than a Microsoft Windows machine. This is the only segment of the information tech market that's absolutely going gangbusters and Microsoft isn't even in the game. That's all you need to know.

172 posted on 06/16/2013 1:05:25 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: The KG9 Kid
I like having a PC at home to generate documents, surf the internet rapidly, tweak photos and other graphics, etc. Is that what you call a "common end-user"? Laptop screens are too small for me to enjoy for hours of computer use at home. I also don't like the prospect of using the laptop keyboard for prolonged periods. My laptop (a Lenovo thinkpad a couple years old) has Windows 7 as its OS, vs. the XP on my somewhat older Dell PC at home.

What "better options" than a Microsoft Windows machine are you talking about? And would documents generated on my present PC be operable on the "better option?

173 posted on 06/16/2013 8:18:21 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Chode

7 has a better rep than 8


174 posted on 06/16/2013 8:23:17 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
that shouldn't be hard... 8^)
175 posted on 06/17/2013 7:17:19 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Darksheare

Just to let you know.

I’ve got this HP Dv7 laptop running for the first time in nearly a year. I want to use it because it has better graphics and sound than my Dell XP desk top.

What a mess though.

I uninstalled a dozen or more programs. I updated a few others. The Windows update, 79 in all, took 4 hours to complete.

I’m well aware of overheating issues and have the thing set up for maximum air.

Still crashing when I run video/youtube type stuff. Never maxing out the processor. But at least it will restart now.

I’m convinced that the problem is with the battery.

It won’t run on battery alone and you can’t run it on AC without the battery. I think the Battery is overheating and or is losing a proper connection.


176 posted on 06/17/2013 4:52:59 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

The missus laptop was a Vista update issue.
I scrapped Vista, went to Se7en, grabbed a second hard drive, and kept the old data on her old drive accessable that way.

The DV7’s did have battery issues, but I don’t recall the exact model runs.
[The missus doesn’t have a battery issue.]

Yes, quite a mess.
I hated Vista, it was heavily annoying, and the update issue was the final straw.
It wouldn’t boot, and when it did it wouldn’t shut down.
Or it took glacially forever to do anything.
[Dual core processor, moved slower than my Athlon XP 2800 single core. All due to one update. That refused to be fixed. Oh, and system restore didn’t work.]


177 posted on 06/17/2013 5:43:46 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare

Please explain.

Se7en ?

An OS ? open source ?

Missus ?

I can move the stuff I want but I don’t want to spend a whole lot of money to get off Vista and actually use this machine.


178 posted on 06/17/2013 6:25:49 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta; NoCmpromiz

windows 7, works better than Vista and isn’t near as annoying.

My wife has the DV7, I got it for her to use with her digital camera.
I didn’t spend too much to move the laptop to Win7, the hard drive wasn’t all that much.
Most expensive part money wise was win7, timewise it was the drive cage for the laptop.
[Ordering a hard drive cage for a DV7 is an interesting experience.]


179 posted on 06/18/2013 6:38:25 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: OneWingedShark

Thanks! Another EDT feature I liked was the ability to open any file no matter what the record length was.


180 posted on 06/18/2013 2:20:53 PM PDT by meatloaf
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