not at all, and there's a very good chance it was hit by a surface to air missile from a ship, but NOT a submarine... that's pure BS
Posted on 06/22/2013 3:34:21 PM PDT by FlJoePa
New information earlier this week pointing to a cover-up in the crash of TWA Flight 800 doesn't come as a surprise to at least one local man whose daughter was killed in the 1996 tragedy.
Donald Nibert, a retired Penn College forestry professor, said from the beginning all he has wanted is the truth from investigators.
"I've always felt this was friendly fire from day one," he said.
The crash off Long Island claimed the life of his daughter, Cheryl, along with 15 other Montoursville Area High School students and their five adult chaperones.
A film to be released next month makes the claim that the official government report on the crash was an elaborate fabrication. Six experts from the National Transportation Safety Board investigation team who originally concluded the crash was an accident now say they were silenced by superiors.
Seventeen years have gone by since the crash, but Nibert hasn't forgotten.
Early on, he was dogged in his pursuit of the truth.
He queried NTSB officials.
Eventually, he managed to secure a copy of the flight-data recorder from the plane.
One expert concluded that 2 seconds of the recording were deleted.
And Glen Schulze, of Littleton, Colo., a flight data recorder expert maintains to this day that the device was, in his works, "doctored" with 4 seconds of the recording missing.
"What I believe at this point is that it (plane) was not an internal explosion. It was external," Schulze told the Sun-Gazette Thursday. "That's what most of witnesses saw."
Such developments have only confirmed Nibert's suspicions.
About a year after the crash, Nibert recalled receiving an anonymous call from a woman who claimed that her relative was responsible for shooting down the plane from a submarine.
He can't say what she told him is true. Then again, he can't be sure.
Witnesses he's talked to have seemed to confirm his conclusions: that friendly fire brought down the plane.
The final NTSB report claimed faulty wiring in a central fuel tank caused a blast that destroyed the fuselage.
Nibert doesn't buy it.
What he really wants, he said, is for the truth to come out and for those engaged in what he believes has been a lie to be prosecuted.
"I want the truth. That is what I've always wanted," he said. "They have covered up things for 17 years."
Schulze, for his part, said he stands by his original statements that NSTB officials have been anything but forthcoming about their investigation.
He said he never has tried to figure out what the motives may have been behind those responsible for the crash itself.
Nibert has been the lone voice among the relatives of Montoursville victims in expressing his anger at the government.
"I have to say I felt ostracized for my thoughts," he said. "Parents don't want to consider this possibility, which is understandable."
The tragedy, he said, always will be with him.
The filmmakers of "TWA Flight 800" are asking for the NTSB to re-open the investigation.
Nibert, for his part, said he's not holding out a lot of hope that it will happen.
And the memory of his daughter - he's managed to keep alive.
"It's difficult walking into her room, which we never changed," he said.
no, the Earth is round (See 1492) ~ really and truly, so parallel to the ground in Spain is coming up from the horizon in the Azores!
Are you a former gov’t employee?
no. are you insane?
why would a terrorist who successfully shot down a plane NOT then go public about it?
Why wouldn’t they have filmed it?
And you are right, Navy couldn’t and wouldn’t keep that kind of secret.
And in order to believe the plane was shot down, you HAVE to believe that the entire government decided to cover it up, because you have to know we have the ability to detect missile launches within our shores.
It amazes me how supposedly skeptical people just believe people they see on internet videos because they claim they are experts.
Valujet 592 exploded and crashed in the everglades because of an air tank explosion.
Planes do explode in mid-air. A refueling tanker just exploded in mid-air last month.
That flight didn’t explode in mid air. Where did you hear that? There was a fire in the cargo hold and the entire plane was flown into the glades intact.
To compare that to Flight 800 is ridiculous.
not at all, and there's a very good chance it was hit by a surface to air missile from a ship, but NOT a submarine... that's pure BS
i repeat, pure BS!!! tell me what class of sub carries surface to air missiles and what kind, let alone that can be fired from subsurface...
Defending the official Clinton narrative at this point is beyond ridiculous.
“CBS was able to get a GM pickup with saddle tanks to explode.....”
That was NBC, done with remote ignition Estes rocket engines
And I repeat...I agree it’s highly unlikely unless it was some sort of strange training mission.
I asked you to put yourself in the shoes of the DEAD daughter’s Father. You refused to do that.
This is the freaking Sun Gazette. Who knows the context - it could have been one of a number of calls he got - one that the local paper found newsworthy.
You blew your credibility with me w/ your ValuJet comment, which was just - for lack of better terminology - fabricated.
Sorry Chode - I confused you w/ another poster on the ValueJet thing.
The rest stands though.
Apparently you never watch “Air Disasters” or “Seconds from Disaster”.
CharlesWayneCT ~:” It amazes me how supposedly skeptical people just believe people they see on internet videos because they claim they are experts. “
I agree on your level of skepticism
In this instance there were three (3)witnesses , photo makes four (4) .
#1)No video ~ it was a still color photo showing vertical plume
#2)photo by a pilot ( who I would assume has some aeronautical expierience)who was flying nearby and observed the phenomina.
#3 and #4)the word of two witnesess who were walking at the seashore
My source for guidance on witnesess is Matt 18:16 “ But if he do not hear thee, take with thee one or two besides, that every matter may stand upon the word of two witnesses or of three.”
I think it was revenge for the Vincennes shoot down and I believe Iran told us that.
so does my BS statement, even if my daughter was killed i would STILL KNOW there isn't one single submarine in the US Navy that carries surface to air missiles fired from subsurface... but whatever
I assume we are still talking about the california plume, right? There was a video of it, because someone saw it. There might also have been a TV video of it from one of those weather cameras they put on towers.
It got a lot of talk on FR when it happened.
I hear a lot of dumb things said here.
People need to read WND article quoting an anonymous man who was crew, but not on that night, on a submarine out there that night.
Gives a lot of additional INFORMATION and FACTS.
Like there were 3 subs out there. And subs load missiles, etc.
Chode apparently knows much more than anyone else. I guess. Or so he says.
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