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1 posted on 07/24/2013 1:36:41 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

Goldwater Institute: http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/article/amending-constitution-convention-complete-view-founders-plan-part-1-series


2 posted on 07/24/2013 1:39:33 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie; holdonnow

I agree with Mark that carrying on as we are is hopeless, and that Congress, which has surrendered OUR sovereign powers that WE granted to it to the Administrative State, over which we have no control, will not reform the system.

I’m not crazy about an Art V convention, but on the path we now are on, we’re about finished.


3 posted on 07/24/2013 1:41:04 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jacquerie
As in 1787, today’s states would send delegates, not representatives. There is a big difference. As opposed to our congressmen and senators, amendment convention delegates will be agents of the states. Delegates from states that actually wished to restore republican freedom would arrive not with plenary powers, but would be subject to legislative instructions that restrict their jurisdiction. Limited to specific areas, and perhaps backed up with enforceable sanctions, it would take a bold delegate to dishonor his commission.

He is assuming that the state legislatures will select delegates and give them narrow instructions, but Article V doesn't say so. Even if the states call for a convention, it is likely that the delegates will be popularly elected.

8 posted on 07/24/2013 1:56:38 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Jacquerie
Please see post "http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2988703/posts" and just answer the question(s) reference Constitutional Convention Question's

The above post is worth the read (for the questions raised in the posting, & the hole(s) pointed out in the Goldwater Institute article / report.)

If I remember correctly, it took about an hour or more just to format the posting above.

11 posted on 07/24/2013 2:15:02 PM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: Jacquerie

A new Constitutional Convention at this point in history would end in civil war. Additionally, there’s no point in it. The problem now isn’t the Constitution, it’s the willingness to ignore it.


12 posted on 07/24/2013 2:15:30 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Jacquerie; All

I understand that Madison dreaded a second con-con but also know that Jefferson later regarded such a convention as a practical remedy to troubleshooting the nation’s problems.

I don’t dread a con-con because the product of a con-con is not an amendement to the Constituton as many people seem to think. A con-con only proposes an amendement to the Constituton which the states can choose not to ratify.

Also, I don’t expect to see a con-con in the foreeseable future. This is because the corrupt federal government doesn’t want Constitution-ignorant citizens to find out that it is the states, not the federal government, who uniquely controls what the Constitution says, the states thus having absolute control over the federal government. If such knowledge become widespread then it would probably throw a major monkey wrench into the Progressive Movement agenda to unconstitutonally centralize government power in DC.

Finally, there’s nothing wrong with the Constitution, imo, other than PC interpretations of it. What patriots need to do instead of trying to fix something that’s not broke is the following. Patriots need to wise up and win 2/3 conservatives majority control of both Houses of Congress in 2014. Then conservative-controlled Congress will have the constitutional authority under the Constituton’s Clause 2 of Section 7 of Article I to override presidential vetoes. Clause 2 means that Congress will be able to repeal Obamacare without Obama’s signature.

Congress will also be able to impeach Obama, Biden, justices and everybody else in DC who needs to be impeached.


17 posted on 07/24/2013 2:32:02 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Jacquerie

There can b e no “Article V” Convention. There is no provision for a Constitutional Convention to be limited to anything less than the whole Constitution. Given that delegates cannot be limited to sensible right thinking people anything that would come out of a Convention at this time would run to thousands of pages and would attempt to cover in fine every situation that might arise, as happened with the European Constitution.


21 posted on 07/24/2013 2:48:38 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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This is my take on how an Article V Convention would turn out: a nightmare run by Alinsky radicals.

It’s from my third novel, “Foreign Enemies And Traitors.”

http://enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/index.php?page=excerpt&p1=Foreign_Enemies_And_Traitors&p2=FEAT Part 1&


27 posted on 07/24/2013 3:36:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Jacquerie

Soft oatmeal reasoning, as one would expect from the Goldwater Institute, which is controlled by leftist/globalist infiltrators.


31 posted on 07/24/2013 3:45:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jacquerie

There is absolutely no way that a convention would produce conservative amendments. The Dems and RINOs would do what they do now: gang up on conservatives and shove a pile down our throat.

If conservatives bring about a convention, they’ll end up with every liberal wet dream being enshrined in the New Constitution.

The result will be civil war.

If you have any doubt, consider this: Texas is one of the most conservative States in the union. That said, Speaker Joe Staus rules with a coalition of democrats and moderates.

HE would send delegates to the convention and they won’t be conservative.

He would marshal the votes to ensure passage of the Liberal (not liberty) Amendments

If we can’t depend on Texas (and so long as Straus is Speaker, we can’t), then what State can we depend upon?

The idea that conservatives are going to take over a convention is a pipe dream. The reality is that the “conservatives” sent to such a convention are going to look remarkably like Boehner and McConnell, if not McCain and Lindsay.

An Art V convention, here and now, is the spark that will start a war.


49 posted on 09/21/2013 8:58:20 PM PDT by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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