What breed was William the Conqueror?
William the Conqueror awaits transportation home with his late owner's effects |
Posted on 08/07/2013 6:37:18 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
Read the dogsbite.org website to learn more about riders commonly found on homeowners insurance policies which bar the owner from coverage if they have a dog that is among 8 or so listed species. They are pits and pit heritage relatives.
Insurance is a tragic feature of the website videos. I watched videos of people with bandaged, reconstructed faces explaining that no one claimed the dogs who attacked them even though they were well fed and groomed (they had homes) so the victim is unable to pay for multiple reconstructive surgeries and hospital stays.
The story I linked prior re the baby killed by well treated pit bulls explained that the helicopter ride to the hospital cost $37,000 and then the medical attempt to save the baby’s life cost $43,000. Who should pay the $80,000? The parents of the dead baby? The woman’s home owner’s insurance? Again, the wounds inflicted by these dogs really don’t seem like domesticated animals bites but are more parallel to wild animal attacks.
But they soon grow, and when they do, in their own minds they are WOLVES, not dogs!!
If the owner asserts themselves as the alpha male, and suffers no challenges, they can keep things in line.
If not, that’s bad news for the owner and the dog/wolf/wolf cross.
Not all owners are anywhere close enough to having the savvy to be the boss of their pack, and the critter has to realize it is a member of the pack, not the boss. That means the owner has to be the authority figure in the family, too. Most problems arise from dominance squabbles, but the Alpha Male and/or alpha female lays down the law.
240 posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:48:33 PM by Smokin’ Joe (How often God must weep at humans’ folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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You have to be a wolf to win a fight for dominance. You lay down the law but sooner or later a wolf wants to lead and is willing to fight you for leadership - best be armed because a human doesn’t stand a chance bare handed against his pet wolf if said animal wants a promotion.
Seargent Stubby is a Boston Terrier. The give away is the bulbous eyes. Those bubble eyes would be quite a liability for a fighting dog. Note that pits have recessed/protected eyes which do not protrude.
Enjoy the Kool-Aid.
I have interacted with dozens, and owned many dogs over the years. Many of these dogs were pits and pit crosses.
The ONLY ones I ever had issues with were owned by idiots, and once I established their place in the world, there was never another issue.
Fear of anything is admission of weakness, be it physical or mental.
To add something funny. Years ago I was cycling in rural Vermont & this dog started to nip at my feet which was causing me to almost fall off the bike. No matter how much yelling or kicking I did; nothing worked. I could not shake him. As I turned a corner into more heavy traffic the dog was not just nipping at me any longer, but trying to take a chunk out of my leg which was causing me to get pushed into traffic.
Well, that was it. I seen red. I jummped off the bike & fell onto the side of the road....the dog stopped, but I let out a roar, got on the bike & started to chase him down the highway. As I got close to him I booted his ass with one foot & sent him head over heels....all the time yelling that I was going to kill him. This went on for about a mile.
The dog turned into a drivway heading toward a house. I had no intention of letting him get away. I threw my bike down & chased him on foot until I tackled him on the front porch of his house where I started to pound his head in. The owner of the house & the dog opened the door with his mouth open & just stared. The dog took that moment to run in the house.
By now I had regained my sanity....I looked at the owner & said his dog tried to kill me, And that was it. I got up & walked away & the owner never said a word the whole time. He just stared at me. Lol, that’s my dog story.
Have you ever worked with a wolf or a wolf cross?
The trick is to make sure they know there is no opportunity there. If you can't assert dominance to that degree, avoid the breed and the crosses.
Mine was a female, could stand on her hind legs, put her front paws on my shoulders and look me straight in the eye--and I'm 6 ft. tall--we got along great until some pissant a$$hole poisoned her.
She was part of the family. Her worst act was to knock a toddler over with her tail (wagging it), but after that, whenever she was around toddlers, she tucked her tail underneath her and it never happened again.
She never bit anyone, they were just intimidated by her size. I have been blessed to own some good dogs, but she was by far the best and the brightest.
Like most who have any sense here have said, the problem isn't the animal so much as the owner.
Obviously I don’t agree with you. But let’s say for instance that I had denied the research I’ve done and I agreed with you instead.
What is your plan? These dogs kill disproportionate to their presence in the population. All those videos of people being attacked, the stats etc. What’s your plan to stop it? Blame? Blame the owner. Is that your plan?
I’m sure you’re aware of my presence and opinions on Pit threads, however, this is a dog at large issue, not a Pit issue.
If, for no another reason, it needs to be addressed for the sake of the dog as running loose is courting disaster.
The owner needs to build a suitable fence if he has not already and properly contain his dog, regardless of breed.
What is it about documented pit bull attacks that bothers you?
What bothers me is the effort of the hype you people put into it. Like I said, there are hundreds of reports, statistics, charts and such to cite. A responsible owner would recognize if his dog was at risk to cause a problem and never allow it to happen. Ownership of these animals is not for most. Where are your stats showing the level of inadequacy of the owners?
245 posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:59:12 PM by jy8z (When push comes disguised as nudge, I do not budge.)
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Where are your stats showing the level of inadequacy of the owners? As soon as a well-trained, well treated pit bull(s) attack and kill people the pro pit lobby announces that it’s the owners fault and that the dog was poorly trained and poorly treated. No evidence required. The article I linked demonstrates this.
The pro pit nutter who lied and claimed the dogs who killed the baby were improperly cared for and trained was sent to the hospital by one of his pit bulls who siezed his arm and wouldn’t let go. Oddly enough, that pit bull “died” locked in a hot car - cooked to death. Now either the man euthanized his own dog in a barbaric inhuman way, or the dog was improperly cared for. But that guy is pro pit judging the victims in the article without proof. Who gets to decide? Doesn’t it require evidence before you say that only improperly cared for dogs attack? There apparently is no way to tell which owners meet your standards or which dogs meet mine. People are dying or being horrifically maimed. What’s the plan? All I have heard is malicious blame from Pro Pitters. No plan - just blame. Oh and photos of their dogs as if to say “See? My pit hasn’t killed my children yet! So neener neener, you lost yours and I still have mine! That means I am a better owner!” That isn’t a plan.
We chose State Farm because of stuff like this.
The agent flat out told us they don’t give a flying flip what kind of pets we have.
We’re covered.
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I keep forgetting that you only care about you you you you. Your insurance agent is willing to assume risk other insurance companies aren’t. The deaths and maimings cost SOMEBODY money and insurance companies don’t want to pay for it. But yours does. Lucky you you you you.
What breed was William the Conqueror?
William the Conqueror awaits transportation home with his late owner's effects |
Again...take your your your blinders off. My dogs do not have access to the world outside of my property. Not a single being will encounter them unless they trespass on my my my property. I I I am a responsible dog owner that you you you have nothing to fear about. Get Get Get it?
Appears to be a bull terrier. Not stocky chest compared with hips etc. like a pit. I’d need to see him standing up. Is this the pit nutter game “Name The Breed?”
I get that you don’t care how many people die. I get that the breed kills 1 person every 20 days and that’s not counting the horrific and very costly maimings. I get that in 2013 the breed is currently killing 1 person every 13 days. I get that pro pit people don’t care how many people die or are killed by the breed. I get it.
Actually Chet99, you never have understood much except vitriol here on FR.
I wish I could have driven the point home to my former landlord. His fence had a weak point and he asked me to care for his dog. I insisted he put up a run so that the dog could do his business in the yard.
I’ve been a dog owner for many, many years. Dog’s don’t just ‘escape’. Stuff has to happen for them to get out. My mother finally did the same thing (putting up a proper gate for the house - something that took 30+ years to do.
Probably right.
From a French site honoring Gen. Patton:
General's dog is Willie, bull terrier, He is one of the few dogs to wear regulation Army dog tag. Willie travels with Patton everywhere he goes. |
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