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What If Tesla Took 500,000 Gas-Guzzlers Off the Road?
fool.com ^ | August 18, 2013 | Comments | Matt DiLallo

Posted on 08/18/2013 10:38:44 AM PDT by ckilmer

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To: ckilmer
Elon Musk is solidly connected to Obama. It will help Tesla immeasurably when they pass the "Motor Law" and ban all combustion engines.

I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
I fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime

101 posted on 08/18/2013 12:51:49 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: ckilmer

When I can get 14 hours at 70 MPH out of an electric vehicle, get it recharged in an 8 hour period, have it reasonably priced at around $35,000, and have it able to be worked on for a reasonable cost at the neighborhood garage, then I will consider buying an electric vehicle.


102 posted on 08/18/2013 12:55:39 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I dispute your "if." I haven't seen evidence that is happening at all.

They are currently under producing to demand. There is a 2 - 3 month wait for North American customers when you order one. As they open doors in EU and Asia, that demand is projected to triple.

If you listen to their 2Q earnings call, you will hear that they are worried about their suppliers not keeping up with demand.

103 posted on 08/18/2013 12:55:55 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: GeronL

They took out a $465M loan that was available to all car companies when G.W. was in office and repaid it with interest 9 years ahead of schedule. It did not provide a competitive advantage and they paid us back in full. If they screwed all bond holders and tax payers to help the unions like GM did, I will not be supporting them.


104 posted on 08/18/2013 1:00:06 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: GeronL

They took out a $465M loan that was available to all car companies when G.W. was in office and repaid it with interest 9 years ahead of schedule. It did not provide a competitive advantage and they paid us back in full. If they screwed all bond holders and tax payers to help the unions like GM did, I will not be supporting them.


105 posted on 08/18/2013 1:00:10 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: GeronL

They took out a $465M loan that was available to all car companies when G.W. was in office and repaid it with interest 9 years ahead of schedule. It did not provide a competitive advantage and they paid us back in full. If they screwed all bond holders and tax payers to help the unions like GM did, I will not be supporting them.


106 posted on 08/18/2013 1:00:14 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: PLMerite
Right. Call us back when you’ve actually put some miles on one.

If you want to hear from current owners, you can visit: http://www.teslamotors.com/forums

107 posted on 08/18/2013 1:03:23 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: GeronL
Nothing is "free", someone is paying for it somewhere along the line.

In that case, it is included in your automobile price.

108 posted on 08/18/2013 1:04:34 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: GeronL
Nothing is "free", someone is paying for it somewhere along the line.

In that case, it is included in your automobile price.

109 posted on 08/18/2013 1:04:38 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: GeronL
Nothing is "free", someone is paying for it somewhere along the line.

In that case, it is included in your automobile price.

110 posted on 08/18/2013 1:04:42 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: Cyber Liberty

A few years ago my girlfriend and I filled up a Dodge Caravan in Albion Michigan and drove straight through to Whitefish point on Lake Superior. It was about 6 hours total driving. We then went and spent a couple nights at Tahquamenon falls and another couple nights at Grand Marais. After leaving Grand Marais we went to Munising where we finally filled up again.

Its about 450 miles and we weren’t empty when we filled up the second time.

Wonder how a Tesla would do on such a trip. I also wonder how it would do if the trip were in February.


111 posted on 08/18/2013 1:05:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cool Guy

Apologize for the multiple posts.


112 posted on 08/18/2013 1:05:58 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: ckilmer

They are pretty cars
But

I never liked the band


113 posted on 08/18/2013 1:07:36 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: montag813
Elon Musk is solidly connected to Obama. It will help Tesla immeasurably when they pass the "Motor Law" and ban all combustion engines.

That is wrong. Hopefully, that does not happen.

114 posted on 08/18/2013 1:07:49 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: Cool Guy

Fair enough. Have you heard of why the suppliers may not be able to keep up?


115 posted on 08/18/2013 1:11:08 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It wasn't the Rodeo Clown's act, it was the crowd reaction they could't take.)
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To: Just another Joe

So what do you suppose the chances are that a kid starting his first job will save $500 to $1500 to buy a good used Tesla.

The Teslatards are typical liberals. Their real goal is to eliminate affordable transportation for all but those who can afford their approved transportation. Kinda like cash for clunkers. It drove used car prices up while giving a tax break to people who could afford a new car anyway.


116 posted on 08/18/2013 1:12:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cool Guy

It’s FR. Having trouble with page build today.


117 posted on 08/18/2013 1:12:50 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It wasn't the Rodeo Clown's act, it was the crowd reaction they could't take.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Fair enough. Have you heard of why the suppliers may not be able to keep up?

The vendors did not believe that Model S will be as successful as it is today. They were expecting it to file for bankrupt like Fisker.

Tesla uses the same battery we use in laptops. If Tesla wants to operate in full capacity (500,000 cars per year) at its current facility, Panasonic has to double the current battery production across the world to support. We are talking about not increasing shifts, but building new factories. So for the next few years, Tesla will be producing below demand. Hopefully they can release a mass market $35,000 automobile in 3 - 4 years.

I agree with you that you cannot sell volume with $70K base price, but for the foreseeable future they will sell all the cars they can produce.

118 posted on 08/18/2013 1:19:43 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: cripplecreek
So what do you suppose the chances are that a kid starting his first job will save $500 to $1500 to buy a good used Tesla.

This is a point I've been trying to make that's gotten lost in the past few posts: Tesla is for higher-end buyers, there is no way it's going to penetrate the low-end market, which is where the "gas guzzlers" (I hate that term) are. A glance at the headline of this entire thread suggests that's what the argument's about (Hooray! Teslas are saving fuel by taking gas-guzzlers off the road! Rah, rah!), and Tesla loses it hands-down.

Fanbois is off on an irrelevant tangent about overall cost-effectiveness and how they sucked off the government teat less than GM, and I'm finished with that primrose path. I live in Realityville, where I own a hybrid SUV that I like a lot, but am going to have to unload before the battery warranty blows up in my face.

119 posted on 08/18/2013 1:22:42 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It wasn't the Rodeo Clown's act, it was the crowd reaction they could't take.)
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To: cripplecreek
So what do you suppose the chances are that a kid starting his first job will save $500 to $1500 to buy a good used Tesla.

About the same as kid saving up to buy a BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Lexus, etc., etc.

The Tesla Model S is a high performance, luxury sports sedan and is priced like one.

Tesla does plan to intro a much more affordable model in 3 to 4 years. The Model S was never intended for the middle class, but their next sedan will be.

120 posted on 08/18/2013 1:25:39 PM PDT by Norman Arbuthnot
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