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So When did the Cuban Missile Crisis become Kennedy’s “Victory?”
Townhall ^ | 10/25/2013 | Humberto Fontova

Posted on 10/25/2013 10:21:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: null and void
The instant we agreed to pull our missile out of Turkey?

In hindsight, I was have just given the Russkies the whole country.

21 posted on 10/25/2013 10:50:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

If it hadn’t been for JFK’s incompetence — there would have been a “Cuban Missile Crisis.”


22 posted on 10/25/2013 10:52:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: DesertRhino

And then he destroyed the country with the Immigration Bill, it just took a bit longer.


23 posted on 10/25/2013 10:53:20 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Smokin' Joe

“The loss was before the Crisis, at the failure of the Administration to recognize that Castro et. al. were going to impose a Communist regime, instead of lapping up the propaganda about a “democracy” in Cuba.”

The “administration”? Are your referring to Eisenhower administration? You do know that Castro became the leader there in 1959, came up, visted DC, and went safely home, right?
By 1960 his thin veil was gone and he was in full pro-soviet mode. By the time JFK was elected in 1960, he had already nationalized US owned businesses in Cuba, and fully embraced the Soviets.
And please show us any instance of JFK lapping up propaganda that Castro was building a democracy in Cuba. Simply didn’t happen that way.

Dislike JFK for his moral failings, fair. But it’s retarded to pretend he was a Castro apologist.


24 posted on 10/25/2013 10:58:15 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My brother was marine on an aircraft carrier off of Cuba waiting for the order to deploy. What was found out later, the Soviets had nuclear tipped artillery with permission to fire if invaded.


25 posted on 10/25/2013 10:59:21 AM PDT by AU72
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To: dfwgator

“And then he destroyed the country with the Immigration Bill, it just took a bit longer.”

Very bright. That was Teddy Kennedy and the 1965 immigration bill. JFK had been dead a few years by then.


26 posted on 10/25/2013 11:06:29 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think another concession to the Soviets was dismantling our Civil Defense programs. That started right about the time of the aftermath of the Crisis.

I read a book about the event, and the book said there were three main memos or documents spelling out who was to do what. Two had been declassified and was discussed in the book, but the third was still classified. The book was published, I think, in 198?


27 posted on 10/25/2013 11:06:47 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: SeekAndFind

JFK stole the 1960 election, which led to the end of America, I’m just not a big fan of that personally.


28 posted on 10/25/2013 11:09:32 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: ansel12

Why didn’t Nixon go to court the way Al Gore did?


29 posted on 10/25/2013 11:11:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: DesertRhino; dfwgator

JFK’s immigration law was passed in his memory, JFK had been obsessed with bringing in replacements for the American voters, for some time.

“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s. In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960.

In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin.
After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”


30 posted on 10/25/2013 11:12:42 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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Why didn’t Nixon go to court the way Al Gore did?

Somebody made Nixon an offer he couldn't refuse.

31 posted on 10/25/2013 11:18:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the first you have heard of this?


32 posted on 10/25/2013 11:20:02 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The story line has been set and carved in stone: Young President faces down tough commie Premier while the whole shakes with fear. right, the stuff of books and PBS specials.


33 posted on 10/25/2013 11:20:29 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: SeekAndFind

I was taught it was a brilliant victory, in 1982. The schools have been brainwashing for a long time.


34 posted on 10/25/2013 11:20:43 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Why didn’t Nixon go to court the way Al Gore did?”

Nixon was a decent man and wouldn’t put the nation through that is why. Probably one of the most unfairly demonized men in US history.


35 posted on 10/25/2013 11:20:53 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: count-your-change
right, the stuff of books and PBS specials.

And Kevin Costner movies.

36 posted on 10/25/2013 11:21:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

He said a court ordered recount would be too damaging to the country. You have to remember, back then, people actually loved the country.


37 posted on 10/25/2013 11:21:17 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: DBrow
I read a book about the event, and the book said there were three main memos or documents spelling out who was to do what. Two had been declassified and was discussed in the book, but the third was still classified. The book was published, I think, in 198?

I think I read the same book. It was about the COG - Continuation of Government in the event of a nuclear war. The redacted part was the weapons effects results.

IMHO we should have let Lemay flatten Cuba, and flattened the USSR if they used nukes. The Mark 15 multi-megaton bombs we were deploying back then, combined with our huge advantage in delivery systems means we would have won.

38 posted on 10/25/2013 11:37:30 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Russians were emboldened to place missiles in Cuba after JFK turned chicken sh!t at the Bay of Pigs. Once he demonstrated his cowardice the Russians made their move.


39 posted on 10/25/2013 11:41:35 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: ansel12

And we are in for a whole month of it.


40 posted on 10/25/2013 11:46:50 AM PDT by Abby4116
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