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To: jboot
And at what point did the father sign over his right to self-determination to said "experienced police officer"?

There is no "right to self-determination" - people are committed all the time to prevent them from harming themselves.

This man was violated.

Yet is also alive.

Everything else-arguing over how hot the fire was, etc-is sophistry.

The facts are not sophistry.

The question of whether he had any chance at all of saving a child or if he was just - crazed by panic and grief - rushing toward certain death is a very serious question.

What is sophistry is to discuss an urgent real-life situation in abstract Lockean terms as if the stepfather were a calm, rational actor making carefully informed decisions.

He was not.

83 posted on 11/06/2013 10:13:23 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
He was not. You cannot know that.

And there is most certainly a right to self-determination. It takes a court of law to override this right, to involuntarily commit a man to protect him from himself. But the father in this case had no due process.

87 posted on 11/06/2013 10:17:10 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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