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(Jonathan) Martin walked into twisted world
ESPN ^ | November 8, 2013 | Jason Whitlock

Posted on 11/08/2013 11:38:19 AM PST by C19fan

Mass incarceration has turned segments of Black America so upside down that a tatted-up, N-word-tossing white goon is more respected and accepted than a soft-spoken, highly intelligent black Stanford graduate.

According to a story in the Miami Herald, black Dolphins players granted Richie Incognito "honorary" status as a black man while feeling little connection to Jonathan Martin.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: incognito; martin; miami; nfl
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I think Whitlock hit this one out of the park. If you read up on Martin's background one of his ancestors was one of the first African-Americans to attend Harvard. Isn't Martin the role model African-American youth need and I am sure MLK dreamed about. Instead it is the thuggish Incognito who is more "black". I hope Martin gets traded to Seattle where Pete Carroll's positive coaching methods would get more out of him.
1 posted on 11/08/2013 11:38:19 AM PST by C19fan
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Perhaps. But the environment of a NFL team's locker room and the majority of denizens who inhabit it can hardly be considered a representative slice of normal society. Really.
2 posted on 11/08/2013 11:45:26 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Destroy patriotism & government will fall. Tamper with love of country & you'll have revolution)
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Richie Incognito.

Sounds like a nickname for some low level Mafioso.

Just my opinion, of course.


3 posted on 11/08/2013 11:45:43 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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Disagree. The players only care about who can help them win. Incognito was there for them. Martin was disconnected and shy, (aloof?).

Martin was unable to handle the situation like a man, so he went crying and took advantage of the new, wussified anti-bullying meme.

A real man would sit down with concerned parties, including coaches/management, and extract whatever apologies and or promises needed to move forward.


4 posted on 11/08/2013 11:47:25 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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National Felon League is a huge waste of $$$. But an excellent piece by the writer of the article.


5 posted on 11/08/2013 11:48:11 AM PST by greatvikingone
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The only way Martin can return to the Dolphins is with 15 minutes of "bull in the ring."

Just sayin'.

5.56mm

6 posted on 11/08/2013 11:48:33 AM PST by M Kehoe
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I would rather see Martin become the kind of lawyer that ends up prosecueting guys like IIncognito.


7 posted on 11/08/2013 11:51:12 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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I have a better chance of playing with Miami. Nobody will want to play with him in the NFL.


8 posted on 11/08/2013 11:51:33 AM PST by italianquaker
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To: BenLurkin

Richie Incognito.

Sounds like a nickname for some low level Mafioso.

Just my opinion, of course.

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Didn’t he pal around with Carlos Danger? That’s what I heard.


9 posted on 11/08/2013 11:53:57 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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I don’t think that has anything to do with it. The players don’t want to rock the boat, and they want to win. Supporting Incognito is purely selfish on their part.


10 posted on 11/08/2013 11:55:49 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Sadly, much of hip hop and rap culture defines black America by the criminal and defiant actions of the black underclass. This ignorant stereotype is self-embraced by the very offspring of some of the worst victims of racism in the history of the US and is that behavior that further destroys upward mobility for blacks. And the ones who want to make their own way and to be their own man are disdained by those stuck in the stereotype. It’s no surprise that an ignorant white football player can ape the fragile ego and violent bravado of the ghetto. Any fool can do that.


11 posted on 11/08/2013 11:57:46 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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It’s been a long time, but good, or great football players can come from all sorts of personalities. Just like any other sport. You can’t just predict who’s a great player because they come across as loud and aggressive.

It seems like they were trying to “Gomer Pyle”(Full Metal Jacket)the guy into being something he was not.


12 posted on 11/08/2013 11:58:41 AM PST by skinndogNN
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Talk about a media frenzy about a whole lot of nuthin.


13 posted on 11/08/2013 12:04:17 PM PST by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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You would think the collegiate system would help players to adjust to being something less than an everyday thug.. Regardless if they go pro or not.


14 posted on 11/08/2013 12:05:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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The tenets of white supremacy and bigotry have been injected into popular youth culture.

No, Whitlock would have hit it out of the park if he excluded the above line. Black youth glorifying gang culture and ridiculing education has nothing to do with "the tenets of white supremacy and bigotry" being injected into popular black youth culture. This is all on black people. It's black youth who are acting as gangstas and glorifying that culture. Whites have nothing to do with it, and I'm confident that this disgusting subculture would exist even if white bigotry never existed.

As it stands now, this black subculture is leading non-black people to rightly be weary of segments of the black culture rather than the Whitlock reverse version of weariness of blacks leading to this negative culture. Black people need to take responsibility of this and clean it up.

15 posted on 11/08/2013 12:16:47 PM PST by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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Mass incarceration has turned segments of Black America so upside down

Mass incarceration? Tell us all about that, Jason.

16 posted on 11/08/2013 12:22:41 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: italianquaker

Harbaugh was his coach at Stanford. I bet he’d take him. Luck was his QB. I bet the Colts would love to have him. That’s two right there. He will be fine, just not on a team of thugs.


17 posted on 11/08/2013 12:33:13 PM PST by Defiant (GOPe Strategy: We have to fund Obamacare in order to see how bad it is. Good idea, guys!)
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A real man would sit down with concerned parties, including coaches/management, and extract whatever apologies and or promises needed to move forward.

I am going back and forth on this one, and I think there's merit to that. He needed to deal with internally first. Unless we learn something drastically different than what we know now, it doesn't sound like he voiced any concern whatsoever to coaches or team leaders before taking this action.

I am sympathetic to this guy because I think he truly got pushed to the edge. I would guess he's a pretty solid person all around. From some of the video I've seen, he looks like a guy who just couldn't adapt to the rough and tumble culture of the NFL and the O-line team. He just didn't look happy. There's no doubt Incognito is a first-class jerk. That doesn't mean this was the ideal way to handle the situation. The concept of bullying and hazing of a very successful large, wealthy, and smart professional athlete (as the left-leaning media is predictably pushing) is off-base. I tend to agree this should have been made an issue internally within the organization, and no one has indicated that was the case.

18 posted on 11/08/2013 12:34:40 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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As a Rams fan (the team from which Incognito came to the Dolphins - and that released him for being a bonehead) this doesn’t surprise me at all. Only surprise is that it took Richie so long to be exposed in Miami.

As a former player, hazing happens on every team to some extent. Who as a freshman was not subjected to it from the seniors on the team? If you wanted it to stop you might have to fight your way through the senior bullies to prove yourself. Eventually everyone gets fed up with it and blows up in some fashion. But this seemed overboard to me - way overboard. Not having seem game film I don’t know if it was prompted by Martin’s inability on the field or just Richie being Richie - a punk. Either way, earning other players’ respect is never going to happen by crying or running away. Knock Richie on his overly large a$$ and then if it doesn’t stop complain to someone. But crying? Hell, they win if you do that.


19 posted on 11/08/2013 12:56:51 PM PST by RonInNaples
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I guess time will tell. Besides his locker room issues, his line play was suspect at best this year. That’s why they traded for another Lt and moved him to RT


20 posted on 11/08/2013 1:04:12 PM PST by italianquaker
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