Posted on 12/12/2013 7:24:25 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
The health director who approved the release of President Obama’s birth certificate has died in a plane crash, Hawaiian officials said Thursday.
Loretta Fuddy died after the Cessna Grand Caravan aircraft she was travelling on went down shortly after leaving Kalaupapa Airport at around 3:15 p.m. local time (10:15 a.m. ET) on Wednesday.
The other eight people on board were rescued, Richard Schuman, president of Makani Kai Air, told NBC News early Thursday, adding that that there was no indication as to why the plane had crashed.
Fuddy hit the headlines two years ago when she approved a waiver request allowing Obama to access certified copies of his birth certificate, signed by the delivery doctor, Obama’s mother and the local registrar. His mother, then 18, signed her name (Stanley) Ann Dunham Obama.
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That doesn’t sound like a drowning. That sounds like they’re going to try to claim a heart attack.
If he was holding her hand trying to get her to relax, they must not have been in imminent danger, because if they were in imminent danger he would have tried to help her GET OUT - not relax. Yet it was said that they found her in the fuselage, and another place it said they found the aircraft with its tail sticking out of the water, so that makes it seem like she died of drowning in the fuselage - not floating around with the others and just “let me” (let go the hand, let go of life, or what?).
None of the story line we’re being given makes sense to me. Why didn’t the pilot call for help? Why did the president of the company try to say that he couldn’t call for help in the same breath as saying that another pilot circling the area was able to call for help? If she was inside the fuselage, why didn’t the deputy director help get her out, instead of trying to calm her down?
Oops. Just “let go” (not just “let me”).
I think the problem is that these so called ‘journalists’ make thing up on the fly...(pun?) She wasn’t found in the fuselage...she was wearing the lifejacket that her assistant had helped her put on, and they were floating in the water while he held her hand.
I think she ‘let go’ when she lost consciousness. She was 65 years old. The younger, more fit survived, one swam a long way to shore. Yamamoto (no relation to the planner of the attack on Pearl Harbour, lol) was wearing shorts and a T shirt...I bet she was weighed down by the usual feminine apparel, hard to swim in a skirt and long sleeves while in a panic I imagine.
She should have been retired, sitting on her patio, drinking pine-apple juice. Now, they will make her a saint, and she can’t be forced to tell what she knows - ever.
Osama-bama has the luck of the irish, the witnesses just go pop like bubbles in the sun.
The staradvertiser website had a report at 4:36pm, and it sounds like one person swam to the shore for help while the other 8 were floating in the water with life vests. The pilot of the plane circling overhead saw the 8 people with life jackets. The president of the company said they initially thought everybody survived, but that doesn’t make sense if the deputy director held hands with Fuddy and she let go and was unresponsive. The article says that until 8pm the HDOH was saying that both Yamamoto and Fuddy survived. It was the rescuers who noticed that of the 9 passengers there were only 7 live people there.
If they found Fuddy in the fuselage somebody moved her there after the pilot overhead saw her floating in the water with the others.
None of this makes sense.
If she was floating in the water with her lifejacket on they’re going to have to say she died of a heart attack. And the stories about them thinking everybody was fine makes no sense with the story of the deputy director, because he said she let go and there was no response from her so he knew from before any rescuers arrived that she was not OK.
But is it possible that they were holding hands in life jackets while they were still within the body of the plane and while it was filling with water? Trying to reconcile the deputy’s account with 1) claim of finding Fuddy within the fuselage 2) the oddity of Fuddy being out of the plane on the open surface of the water, in a life jacket and still not surviving.
Though I definitely agree with your point about imaginative reporters assuming facts that are not the case.
Oh sorry. I had missed that detail. If that’s the case that she became unresponsive in full view of others at the surface of the water then everything I was wondering about is of course completely moot and a waste of words. Apologies.
Think about what was said about it being difficult to retrieve the aircraft - if she died in the fuselage, who would have been able to dive down and retrieve her body? How deep was the water where the ‘plane went down...?
I see that report about her being in the fuselage as a fabrication by the author. There are numerous ‘journalists’ who fabricate whatever suits the occasion and they never correct themselves or apologise.
The second aicraft reports seeing a certain number of people in the water, one swam to shore. She was one of the people in the water. From their height, they would not have known of she was living or not.
For those that may not know what the cockpit view is of a Cessna Caravan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6MQTJz0D4
2nd video of a Caravan after engine failure and landing on field.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk33A-yXa34
Cessna Caravan Flight Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTRbshtmJV4
Here’s your culprit:
Among the other passengers, three patients were flown to Oahu for treatment; two declined treatment and are staying in Kalaupapa, while three other patients were taken to Molokai General for treatment, according to Maui fire officials.
It appeared that Fuddy didn’t make it out of the plane, according to the Maui Fire Department.
“They said that that person remained in the fuselage of the plane, but we don’t have much details on that at this time,” said Honolulu Fire Capt. Terry Seelig. “So it’s always a difficult situation when you’re not able to get everybody out, but unfortunately that was not the case here.”
Can’t blame the journo for that one...and we have no idea from that statement who ‘THEY’ were.
Richard Schuman (who seems to be the source for just about all these contradictory details...) says that the pilot who was circling overhead and called in to the airport tower saw 8 people in life jackets floating on the water, and one of the articles said that one person swam for help and the other 8 were pulled from the water. Maybe the guy had his life jacket on and swam for help after the pilot saw them and called the tower.
One of the stories had Schuman saying they initially thought everybody was OK, the implication being that Fuddy was accidentally left inside the fuselage, but that doesn’t fit with the story that Yamamoto told; he would have known she wasn’t OK. And the pilot would have known that there had to be 9 of them - especially if, as Schuman said, he was trying to keep everybody all together in the water. If he was doing that, he was counting people and had to notice that one was still in the fuselage if there were only 8 - and then 7 when the person swam to shore - people floating together in the water with life vests.
Seems like this Schuman has been making comments trying to shape perception to this or that excuse for her dying, but Yamamoto isn’t fitting in with that. Seems like Yamamoto is framing the story to be that she died of a heart attack once she was safely out of the fuselage.
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“Among the other passengers, three patients were flown to Oahu for treatment; two declined treatment and are staying in Kalaupapa, while three other patients were taken to Molokai General for treatment, according to Maui fire officials.”
3 + 2 + 3 = 8
And where did Fuddy go?
Yes, thank you. That makes sense.
And where did Fuddy go?
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to the morgue.
Thanks. I do suppose though that besides a heart-attack to explain Yamamoto’s account there’s also the small chance she took in a couple lungs full of brine (even despite the life-jacket) particularly if the water was choppy or if the plane exit was submerged when she escaped through it.
Show me where it says that. I simply want to be able to count to nine. Is that too much to ask? I’m obviosuly NOT suggesting she’s still down in Davy Jones’ locker, but there must be ONE journalist or local official who can tell us who survived, where they went, and end up with NINE people, dead or alive.
that is messed up. wow.
Or maybe she suffered from jellyfish-sting-induced paralysis. If so, it would be hard to blame Obama, given how hard it is to train lethal jellyfish. :-)
She went ashore where some Irish priest from St. Francis church gave her last rites before she was said to have been taken to a “care home”, whatever that is.
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