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To: backwoods-engineer
Ken Ham’s foolish insistence on a young Earth is EXACTLY why this debate has damaged the cause of Christ in America.

That is a pretty amazingly unqualified statement seeing that there is no way to know if it is true. Did Christ Himself tell you that Ken Ham's position is hurting His cause?

The age of the earth is not what wins souls for Christ it is the Fruits of the Spirit. Nameley love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

I personally don't know anyone who has come to Christ because of Old or Young earth arguments. It has more likely been a lack of being Christ Like that has "Hurt" the Chuch.

In the end I think it is the Holy Spirit that changes a person's heart not a debate.

48 posted on 02/05/2014 12:06:29 AM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Boiler Plate
In the end I think it is the Holy Spirit that changes a person's heart not a debate.

Thank God that the Holy Spirit is alive and well and working great work still.

I personally don't know anyone who has come to Christ because of Old or Young earth arguments. It has more likely been a lack of being Christ Like that has "Hurt" the Church.

John 13:35By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
James 2:15-16If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that?
(Pretty much all of First John.)

The age of the earth is not what wins souls for Christ it is the Fruits of the Spirit. Namely love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Yes. Yes and amen.

49 posted on 02/05/2014 12:20:47 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Boiler Plate

While I can agree in part with what you are saying, I also know that many christians have very weak and fragile faith and many many more have left or never attained faith due to the pervasive nature of today’s scientific community most esp. regarding the theory of evolution and also long ages arguments.

Their dishonesty has made it a much bigger battle to win hearts and minds for Christ. Watch the video in post #60 of this thread and tell me if the hydroplate theory has any affect at all upon your faith please. Or if you can see how it can strengthen others faith - maybe yours is so strong you could even face death and not recant.


61 posted on 02/05/2014 5:10:11 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Boiler Plate

I guess what it boils down to is how do you defend your faith - with only the fruits of the Holy Spirit or is some intellectual and spiritual growth needed too?


62 posted on 02/05/2014 5:35:05 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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