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Police Abuse or S.O.P.?
Personal Experience | highnoon

Posted on 02/24/2014 8:30:33 AM PST by highnoon

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To: highnoon

The ‘non visible license plate’, is a con made into law by Toll Road bought politician.

It was enacted to ensure toll runners were caught.

DPS in Texas uses it as a free pass to pull over anyone they want.

Saves them wear and tear on their shoes from kicking taillights.


101 posted on 02/24/2014 1:22:35 PM PST by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If your car is impounded for what is normally a ticketable offense(”tag and release”) , you’d have a good court case. Especially if you add in the circumstance of having said “no” to a search and then waiting for a warrant that never comes.

I’d say you’d probably win some money,too. (yaxpayer funded of course)


102 posted on 02/24/2014 1:25:46 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

A “Terry frisk” doesn’t require a warrant.

It does require probable cause to get to that point of a stop in the first place.


103 posted on 02/24/2014 1:29:04 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Responsibility2nd

A LEO who has absolutely nothing on you and pulled you over for a minor infraction like a tail light out is going to use every possible means at his/her disposal to pin a larger charge on you if they don’t like you or they’re having a shitty day. If you so much as have a bottle cap from a beer bottle in your car from 10 years ago, that’s probable cause to believe you’re intoxicated. In the case of OP, he got jammed up for an Adderall prescription that the cop claims was the wrong dose for what was on the bottle. If they’re noticing a lot of trafficking going through a particular neighborhood or if your car fits the description of a vehicle at a local drug house or an APB for a stolen car fitting a specific description, they’ll look for anything to jam you up if you give them a hard time.

You MUST commit to and know your rights. If you show even a moment of weakness, if you let them search, if you let them talk you out of your car for no good reason, they’re going to find SOMETHING to pin on you. It is their job. Law enforcement is no longer about enforcing the law. It’s about closing cases and raising revenue. Period.


104 posted on 02/24/2014 2:29:31 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: highnoon

He turned off his headlights to see if there was visible light from the bulb over your plate.

NEVER NEVER NEVER consent to a search ,, I bought a used car years ago and found a vodka bottle under the seat... if that was found in your case you’d be 1.) jailed 2.) lost your job 3.) out many thousands of dollars and 4.) had your car impounded ... and you’d be faced with a choice of hire a lawyer ,, or get car out of impound (the fees will be higher than the value in a few weeks) ,, and the car will be sold after 30 days (usually to a friend of the impound guy for a small fraction of it’s worth) (oh and you will still have to pay the bank if you have a balance on the car loan)...

Now you’re on their radar ... whenever they pull your plate the “officer” will have a synopsis of the search and the drug find .. not a word about it being a good prescription will be in the data he receives on his in-car screen.

I would not meet with the detective to talk with him if I could afford an attorney ,, If not I would very carefully word a reply that clearly and concisely explains what you wrote here ,,, present it to him and politely explain that you will not answer any of his questions AND STICK TO IT. BRING A FRIEND ,, TWO FRIENDS would be better... as witnesses.


105 posted on 02/24/2014 2:46:47 PM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: null and void

” Dogs are smart and want to please their handlers.

If the handler is convinced you have contraband, the dog may pick up on his unconscious clues and “hit” on that.”

I am a dog trainer, but not for LE (mainly schutzhund and other sports, particularly tracking). However, I am quite familiar with LE dog training.

Mostly, your statement is correct; but likely not for the reason you stated.

Most if the issues with dogs are with the handlers. They are generally not “dog people” and not trainers: the dogs are trained by contractors outside of the department. Then the dog/handler team are “trained” for a short time by the trainer. (I know one who does this for a living.) Most handlers can’t reliably tell a real indication (”hit”) from a false indication. (Reliably is the key word here.) And if the department doesn’t periodically have the team undergo outside refresher training courses, the dog’s training goes to pot. Training of this sort requires constant work, and most departments cannot/will not do the required work, nor have the resources and expertise to do so.

So, a dog team can have multiple problems for different reasons. Not all teams have these issues, but for small-to-medium size departments, these are real concerns.

So, don’t blame all the problems on the dog: most of the blame falls onto the handler and/or department. A dog is a very complicated “piece of LE equipment” and requires an amount of expertise and resources most LE departments don’t have.


106 posted on 02/24/2014 3:41:39 PM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: highnoon

everyone take a look at this

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f2e_1393282760


107 posted on 02/24/2014 11:12:04 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: LaRueLaDue
The Founders would be proud that we've managed to delegate some of the more onerous tasks of the judges, like signing search warrants, to dogs.

"Who authorized this search? Barky the dog..."

108 posted on 02/25/2014 10:57:11 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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