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1 posted on 03/01/2014 3:33:14 AM PST by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 03/01/2014 3:33:34 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

So East St. Louis used to be civilized?


3 posted on 03/01/2014 3:40:09 AM PST by 22202NOVA ("Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage." -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: Renfield

I remember when CE used to be AD. PC run amok will burn down more than this fire ever did.


5 posted on 03/01/2014 4:00:33 AM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: Renfield

The entire story rests on a relatively small number of artifacts.

I’m not going to engage in speculation, but will simply say that these artifacts are thus far consistent with the theory of civilization developed by Ibn Khaldun. That there is a cycle to civilization. An initial period of ascent, characterized by the flourishing of the economy, of the arts and of sciences, and of military might, when larger and larger revenues are generated from low taxes. Then, a period of decline, characterized by corruption, when smaller revenues are generated from increasing high taxes.

Here is what we know: all throughout the world, wherever there have been men, there is evidence of civilization. In many places, cities and such have been discovered, their associated civilization only known through artifacts. In some other places, we have actual histories that involve the waxing and waning of civilization.

To me, what the sum of this does is affirm my belief that “all men are created,” as we say in our Declaration of Independence. It also speaks to the fragile nature of civilization and that power corrupts.


8 posted on 03/01/2014 5:12:52 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Renfield

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9 posted on 03/01/2014 5:26:39 AM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Renfield

The structures destroyed by the fire were never rebuilt, the excavations showed. Meanwhile, other large, important buildings, like distinctive ceremonial “lodges” or houses for local elites, stopped appearing altogether throughout the region. And soon after the fire, a great palisade wall went up around the nearby city center — known to archaeologists as Downtown Cahokia — most likely for protection.

Based on the mass graves filled with young females with cut throats, a case can be made that the Cahokinas behaving like p;resent day Muslims eventually caused the other tribes to kill them off.

No loss to human societal evolution, I’d say.


11 posted on 03/01/2014 6:48:45 AM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Renfield

Sounds like a conquest occurred. Cahokia and environs got overrun by somebody else.


19 posted on 03/01/2014 6:56:12 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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To: Renfield

Cahokia is right on the way west. Before getting excited about crossing the river and visiting the big arch, take time to stop by Cahokia........ it is truly amazing.

At it’s zenith, Cahokia is believed to have been more populous than London.


25 posted on 03/02/2014 5:08:04 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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