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To: Sioux-san

I would trace the beginning of the end of western society to the late 1800’s with the rise of the godless Fabian Society and the Progressive movement which continued to built up steam in the 1900’s as the whole world turned from God to their own devices.


2 posted on 03/06/2014 8:10:44 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

That’s accurate. The French revolution is where it started... it’s all been downhill since.


7 posted on 03/06/2014 8:15:18 AM PST by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: PapaNew
"own devices"
pretty much..humanism political movement arises,
"we're much, much better than G*D"..hubris abounds.

8 posted on 03/06/2014 8:16:24 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: PapaNew

http://www.amazon.com/Crossed-Fingers-Liberals-Captured-Presbyterian/dp/0930464745

I agree.

Crossed Fingers, by Gary North, details how progressives infiltrated the Northern Prebyterian seminaries and “flipped” a whole denomination.

Progressives (Fabian Socialists) were doing it in almost every Christian denomination at that time. Many pastors began questioning Biblical truth,(so called German “higher critical thinking” which really wasn’t logical or critical at all.) The church was weakened, and progressives filled in the vacuum. Many of the “pillars” of society, including universities, government, public schools, and the media, and the wealthy and corporate leadership began turning progressive/socialist as more and more of their leadership was sitting in liberal churches under the teaching of false preachers, who stopped teaching the Bible and about sin and repentance to the social gospel. The stopped teaching the truth about obedience to God and the law in the Bible, belief in Christ, and the other virtues, that however imperfectly, had still had a great influence on keeping our country from going the path of every successful, corrupt society.

Many of the corporate and political leaders, since they would no longer admit personal sin, dealt with their underlying guilt by the social gospel and progressivism. Their thoughts might have been “I wont stop my sin or repent because ‘really it’s all okay’, but since I feel guilty I will support laws to take money from the middle class to “help” the poor, and that makes me feel all better and makes me a good person.”

As a woman, I am ashamed to admit, but I believe giving the vote to women just increased the pace, as even more liberal women hounded their husbands to take up liberal stances because of their emotional feelings of guilt. I think men who were not really one way or the other in moral character, maybe weren’t true socialists, might have been talked into or bullied by their wives to support certain causes in politics, the schools, etc so that the wives could attend the ‘cool’ social gatherings. Again, just such a lack of character. True Christian women would be less likely to try to bully, coerce , etc their husbands into coming down on one side or the other.

Progressives/Fabian socialists have been like a pack of termites and roaches, infiltrating, slowly chewing on and breaking down the good and refilling the holes with decay. So yes, it has been a long steady march and the walls are finally completely crumbling down.

Makes me so sad. This is the most depressing post I’ve written in a long time. : (

But we can have hope in God, we can pray for a cleansing and renewal in the true church (very little of it is left in America today), and pray for a new dawn in America, or maybe even just a little part of America.

God is all powerful and may yet have mercy on us.


25 posted on 03/06/2014 9:00:38 AM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: PapaNew
I would trace the beginning of the end of western society to the late 1800’s with the rise of the godless Fabian Society and the Progressive movement which continued to built up steam in the 1900’s as the whole world turned from God to their own devices.

Agreed. For any who are not so fortunate to have read The Fabian Freeway, now long out of print, FReeper ProgressingAmerica has links to it on his/her homepage.

It is a book-length work that traces absolutely the Socialist International takeover of Britain and the Democrat Party in America, naming names. It is a stunning piece of work, and I'm not surprised it has not been reprinted. The left is probably paying big money to keep it down. Old paper copies were recently going for $65 on book sites. However, Amazon are now offering it as a Nook or Kindle book. for three bucks or so.

Here's the description from Amazon:

Both prophetic and illuminating, Fabian Freeway documents the rise and progress of socialism in Britain and the United States and tells the story of the many early triumphs of the philosophy of socialist incrementalism known as Fabian Socialism.

Part political history, part intellectual history, Rose Martin’s Fabian Freeway traces the influence of the British Fabian Society in promoting socialism in Britain, beginning in the 1880s. The group favored gradual progress toward socialism rather than violent revolution; and it proved to be a major force in promoting British collectivism. Its influence extended to America as well, where like-minded organizations and persons enhanced its effects. Martin emphasizes Fabian influences on Wilson and FDR, and continues the discussion through the 1960’s, when the book originally appeared.

When the British Fabian Society was first founded, its members, echoing Marx’s own views, believed that socialism could only be introduced to Britain and the United States through a strategy of very gradual change disguised as reform.

Some Fabians suspected that the United States might never adopt the tenets of true socialism.

Less than 150 years, later, however, the Fabian strategy has been enormously successful. Both Britain and the United States are heavily regulated and heavily taxed societies with highly socialized economies where government agents exercise vast control over the movement of capital and currency through an enormous bureaucratic apparatus.

In the original Foreword, Loyd Wright, writing in the midst of the Cold War, discusses Fabian Socialism as “Communism’s helpmate,” and he portrays the ideology as a sort of friendly-looking version of socialism that will nevertheless end up looking very much like Soviet-style communism.

Since the end of the Cold War, however, we find that Fabian Socialism is far more dangerous than revolutionary communism. Highly attractive to so-called “reasonable” and “moderate” people, and compatible with the ideologies of so many center-left and center-right political parties, Fabian Socialism, unlike soviet-style communism, has exhibited a staying-power already shown to be much stronger than anything revolutionary communism has yet produced.

Fabian Freeway provides a well-documented and rigorously compiled account of the first eighty years of Fabian Socialism. Anyone with an interest in the history of socialism and capitalism in the West should not be without a copy of this significant volume.


34 posted on 03/06/2014 9:21:43 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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