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Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy
birtherreport ^ | March 31, 2014 | Linda Jordan

Posted on 03/31/2014 10:55:40 AM PDT by ethical

Seeing With One’s Own Eyes : Evidence the Hawaii Medical Examiner turned a blind eye to the death of Loretta Fuddy by Linda Jordan

The principal aim of an autopsy is to determine the cause of death when the cause of death is equivocal or unknown. It is a “strictly the facts ma’am” kind of procedure.

A Medical Examiner or Coroner simply reports what is “seen with their own eyes” concerning the condition of the body and organs after an autopsy. A review of the deceased’s medical history is also included in their assessment. When all is said and done they offer a professional opinion as to the manner of death based on the physical findings and medical history.

If you have ever read a Coroner’s report you know they are very dry. No ad-libbing or wild guessing, no emotion, just straight reporting and fact based conclusions about the state of the body. Lots of words and phrases like, “anterior thorax”, “usual lobular architecture”, “unremarkable”, “perirenal soft tissue”, “sclerae and conjunctivae”, “intact”, “coronary arteries arise normally”, “well-preserved follicular and trabecular markings”.

That’s why I was concerned by newspaper accounts of the Hawaii Medical Examiner’s reported cause of death for Loretta Fuddy, the former Director of the Hawaii Department of Health. What the medical examiner has released so far is heavy on the perceived emotion of Loretta at the time of her death and speculation about the condition of her heart.

Emotion and speculation are not things the medical examiner could have seen with her own eyes.

Some Background.

You will remember that Loretta Fuddy was the person who released photo copies of Barack Obama’s original, long form Certificate of Live Birth. She did this at Obama’s request and said that she hoped it would put an end to the “numerous inquiries” the Hawaii DOH has received to produce the document. Judith Corley, Obama’s lawyer, says she flew to Hawaii to collect this document.

Obama then posted the purported birth certificate to the White House website on April 27, 2011. It has since been proven to be an abject forgery. It was not a scan of a photo copy of an original document. It was a forged PDF file that never existed in paper form until someone pushed print.

Loretta Fuddy died after a plane crash on December 11, 2013. Just a month and a half prior she had been named in two affidavits filed in U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington. The originator of the affidavits had asked that a Grand Jury be convened to investigate Obama’s forged birth certificate and Fuddy’s role, if any, in its production.

Fuddy and her Deputy Director Keith Yamamoto had traveled to the island of Molokai that day on a work related trip. On their return flight the small plane they were riding in was forced to make an emergency ocean landing, fairly close to shore, after suffering a complete engine failure.

It was a very smooth landing according to the video one passenger captured. All nine passengers, including Loretta, secured their life jackets and calmly disembarked from the plane. In fact there was almost no sound as they exited into the approximately 70 degree water.

Within minutes after the forced landing a small plane flew overhead and survivors knew that help was on the way. Then, inexplicably, Loretta Fuddy suffered an equivocal death. A death of unknown origin.

Problems With The Autopsy: The First Cause Of Death Release.

Loretta was the only fatality, and a high profile one. Autopsies are to be performed as soon after death as possible. Preferably within 24 hours. It was reported that Loretta Fuddy’s autopsy took place two days after her death. Why wait two days? And if the autopsy was completed on December 13th, 2013 why were the results kept private for a month? Details from the autopsy report were not revealed until January 13, 2014. And scant details they were. The Maui Police Department, not the Medical Examiner’s Office, reported that Loretta Fuddy, “suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water” and that Fuddy's “irregular heartbeat” was the result of stress brought on by the December 11 crash.

It is not possible to diagnose death by “cardiac arrhythmia”. It is something that can only be measured in a live person and there is no evidence of it after death. If someone had a medical history of cardiac arrhythmia it could be a good guess but a guess none the less.

And therein lies the rub. The Medical Examiners designation of death, cardiac arrhythmia due to stress, is in direct conflict with the known facts.

Loretta’s brother, Lewis P. Fuddy Jr., says that his sister was healthy, that she had no heart problems and that she was not a stressed or fearful person. He said that she was a very calm person and had to be given her job. His personal knowledge of his own sister directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion.

Passenger accounts of what transpired during the crash and after directly controverts the medical examiners conclusion.

“Clyde Kawasaki, the pilot, has said Fuddy seemed to be in fine condition while bobbing in the water after everyone left the airplane and waited for rescue crews to show up at the scene.”

'Everyone was real quiet. We hit (the water) and it was all about getting the belts off,' he said, describing how everyone started putting on life jackets and remained on the plane until it seemed to start sinking.'There wasn't panic or anything. It was very orderly,' he said. Phillip Hollstein

“Bobbing in the water, Hollstein noticed the pilot and seven other passengers seemed fine. 'I didn't want to sit out there bobbing, so I figured I'd take a shot at going to the shoreline.' He guesses the swim to the rugged shoreline took an hour and a half. He was surprised to hear later that one of the passengers, Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy, had later died. 'She was doing fine out of the airplane,' Hollstein said”.

The video footage of the actual plane crash directly controverts the medical examiner’s conclusion. Loretta Fuddy was not screaming or crying. No one was. “The 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan's cabin starts to flood after impact - but everyone remains calm and eerily quiet as they leave the sinking craft.” “In the video, the passengers can be seen making their way out calmly.”

There is only one hearsay account that Fuddy needed to “relax” after the crash. KeithYamamoto purportedly told Rev. Patrick Killilea that he had held Loretta’s hand and tried to help her to “relax” but at some point she let go of his hand and was unresponsive.

The Second Cause Of Death Release.

Two months after the Maui Police Department revealed Fuddy’s cause of death the Associated Press (AP) sent out a short article with details straight from their own copy of the autopsy report which they obtained on March 10, 2014. Now, four months after her death, we learn this from newspaper accounts of the AP story.

*‘Autopsy report says Loretta Fuddy was “markedly afraid” after plane crash’.

*‘Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her.’

*‘The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11.’

*‘The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean.’

*The autopsy said [Fuddy’s] acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation.

*Official autopsy results for late state health director Loretta Fuddy reveal she was a poor swimmer and never swam in ocean waters.

*According to the report, witnesses saw Fuddy exit the aircraft with her flotation device and [she] was “markedly afraid” while waiting for rescue personnel to arrive. She was pronounced dead after being brought to shore. (This is in direct conflict with first hand witness accounts reported at the time. Remember the pilot and passenger Hollstein both said Fuddy was calm and was doing fine and no witness in any newspaper account of the crash ever said Fuddy was “markedly afraid”. So where did this come from?)

*The [autopsy] report says reported ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves that occasionally splashed over the face of the crash victims as they awaited rescue.

Listen to the words coming out of the medical examiner’s report: Loretta Fuddy was markedly afraid, it was a traumatic ordeal, she was a poor swimmer, she never swam in the ocean, water occasionally splashed over her face while awaiting rescue, ocean conditions included relatively calm five-foot waves. This is an autopsy report? Does this sound like a systematic external and internal examination of a dead body to determine if any abnormalities are present and are the cause of death? Where are the words that actually tell us the condition of her body and health? Why are the emotional, speculative words pushed to the forefront but the technical, factual descriptions are kept hidden? And why is this autopsy report filled with emotion and speculation in the first place?

The AP did not share a copy of the report which was said to be heavily redacted. It is important to note that attorney Orly Taitz made a public records request for the autopsy report on December 18, 2013 and has never received a copy.

Why did the AP get a copy but not Taitz? It is a public record subject to Hawaii’s Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. I requested one myself but seriously doubt it will be forthcoming . Is it only released to people who will beat the drum that Loretta’s death was caused by fear & hyperventilation?

A final point. One headline announcing the Maui Police Department’s release of autopsy details (January 13, 2014) said that Loretta’s death had been ruled “accidental”.

As of March 29, 2014 no one knows why the plane’s engine failed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has yet to determine the cause of the crash so how can the Medical Examiner or the Maui Police Department rule Fuddy’s death “accidental”?

Closing.

The Medical Examiner’s autopsy report guesses at the cause of death for Loretta Fuddy. And sometimes, absent any clues from the body, that’s all you can do. However, I would wager in this case that most Medical Examiners would have gone with, “manner of death undetermined”. But what makes Dr. Harle’s guess most disturbing is the fact that it is in direct conflict with eyewitness accounts of Loretta at the time of the crash and in direct conflict with her own brother’s knowledge of her.

She’s clearly trying to make a square peg fit in to a round hole in spite of the facts.

Review all the documentation I’ve supplied. See it with your own eyes and then ask yourself three questions.

1. Does this autopsy report, what little we’ve seen of it, sound like an autopsy report?

2. Does the “markedly afraid” portrayal of Loretta Fuddy jive with the original eye witness accounts and the video?

3. Is the designation of death, by cardiac arrhythmia due to a fearful, un-calm, hyperventilating demeanor, supported by the description that Lewis Fuddy gives of his sister Loretta?

Read it again and let it sink in.

‘The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molo­kai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." ‘ ."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves."

End Notes

1 having two or more possible meanings: not easily understood or explained 2 Unlike Coroners, Medical Examiners are government-appointed physicians who are certified specialists in forensic pathology. They do not need permission from the next of kin to perform an autopsy. 3 Origin of AUTOPSY: Greek autopsia, the act of seeing with one's own eyes, First Known Use: 1678. 4 Dr. Harle, Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 5 There is such a thing as a Psychological Autopsy (PA) particularly in cases of suspected suicide where life insurance policies are involved. They include extensive interviews with family, friends and a review of the deceased personal records. Conclusions based on this kind of autopsy are generally not accepted in legal criminal proceedings but have been used in civil cases. They primarily serve to bring closure to the family. A PA is done in addition to the autopsy performed by the Medical Examiner. There is no suggestion that Loretta Fuddy killed herself and no evidence that a PA was performed on her. 6 http://www.mcso.org/PressRelease/ 2012 March 1,21, July 17 7 Ms. Fuddy was named in two affidavits (one public, one sealed) filed in the U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington on October 18, 2013, by Douglas Vogt, citing twenty points of forgery that comprise misprision of treason and misprision of felony. Vogt, with researcher and document expert Paul Irey, investigated the intricacies of the forgery. Mr. Vogt’s affidavit and Ms. Fuddy’s involvement gained national attention when he was interviewed on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report on December 4, 2013, exactly one week to the day before her tragic death on December 11, 2013. http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2014/01/12/what-are-the-chances-the-mysterious-death-of-loretta-fuddy-by-doug-hagmann/ 8 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/12/hawaii-obama-birth-certificate-fuddy/3996657/ 9 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 10 http://pathlabs.ufl.edu/services/autopsy/faq-autopsy http://usaforensics.com/faqs/ 11 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html “Fuddy's irregular heartbeat was the result of stress from the Dec. 11 crash… Maui police announced, revealing the findings of an autopsy conducted two days after the crash. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. “All the passengers, including Fuddy, safely evacuated the plane and activated life-vests, but according to a newly released autopsy, Fuddy suffered a cardiac arrhythmia while floating in the water, waiting for rescuers.” “Fuddy, 65, was healthy and didn't have any known heart problems, her brother, Lewis Fuddy, said Monday."She wasn't an anxious person," he said. "To be head of the Health Department, you have to have some cool nerves." 12 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 13 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html 14 Pathologist factors: Some doctors express dissatisfaction with the quality of an autopsy if the pathologist does not provide answers regarding the case. Unfortunately, an autopsy does not guarantee that the cause of death, for example a heart arrhythmia, will be identified. http://www.medicinenet.com/autopsy/page3.htm#what_is_the_autopsy_report 15 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 16 Heart trouble led to Fuddy's death But the state health director did not have cardiac or stress problems, her brother says’ By Timothy Hurley POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jan 14, 2014 The brother of state Health Director Loretta Fuddy said his sister had no heart problems or pre-existing conditions that would have contributed to her death following a December plane crash off Molo­kai. "She was a healthy lady," Lewis Fuddy said Monday. "She handled stress every day as director of the state Department of Health. She solved problems under pressure. She was a very calm person." http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 17 http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/13/22294162-hawaiian-health-director-died-of-irregular-heartbeat-after-plane-crash?lite 18 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536931/New-footage-shows-harrowing-moment-small-plane-crashed-Hawaii-killed-woman-published-President-Obamas-birth-certificate.html#ixzz2xN5RYmJN 19 http://www.chicagonewsday.com/feed/national/11572-new-footage-shows-the-harrowing-moment-a-small-plane-crashed-off-hawaii-and-killed-the-woman-who-published-president-obama-s-birth-certificate.txt 20 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 21 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-crashes-hawaii-killing-health-director-released-obama-birth-cert-article-1.1572282 22 In the final moments of her life, Fuddy clung to the hand of her deputy, Keith Yamamoto, while floating in the water. Fuddy, who became widely known in 2011 for her role in making President Barack Obama’s birth certificate public, held hands with Yamamoto as he tried to help her relax, said the Rev. Patrick Killilea, who consoled Yamamoto after the ordeal. http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/state-wire/survivor-recounts-plane-crash-killed-fuddy#sthash.KpCCTidu.dpuf 23 Details in the autopsy report of Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane's ocean landing revealed how traumatic the ordeal was for her. The autopsy report obtained by The Associated Press on Monday said Loretta Fuddy was "markedly afraid" while waiting for help to arrive after the small plane crashed off Molokai on Dec. 11. The report says 65-year-old Fuddy was a "rudimentary swimmer" who never swam in the ocean. Maui police have said her death was the result of an irregular heartbeat triggered by stress. The autopsy said the acute cardiac arrhythmia was due to hyperventilation. The pilot and seven other passengers on the Makani Kai Air flight survived without major injuries. Maui County cited privacy laws for redacting significant portions of the report. http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20140310_Autopsy_report_said_health_director_was_markedly_afraid_after_plane_crash 24 http://khon2.com/2014/03/11/autopsy-reveals-fuddys-final-moments-after-crash/ 25 http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-lawyer-files-request-fuddy-autopsy/ 26 Email On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:40 PM, from Linda Jordan to Orly Taitz. I was just curious if they gave you a copy of the autopsy like they did the AP? And if they did not, why not? You did request one right? LJ they did not provide me with any answer and right now I do not have the money to file yet another law suit in HI to get it (Orly Taitz) 27 March 26, 2014 TO: Public Records Officer Coroner and Medical Examiner’s Office of Maui County RE: Request for Public Record Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy The Associated Press reported on March 12th, 2014 that they had received a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Fuddy conducted by Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner for Maui County. I am requesting a copy of the Autopsy Report for Loretta Jean Fuddy aka Loretta Deliana Fuddy under the Unified Information Practices Act Statue 92F. Fuddy’s date of death was reported as December 11, 2013. Date of autopsy reported as December 12 or 13, 2013. I will pay the cost of copies and mailing. Electronic transfer would be acceptable also. Thank you, Linda Jordan Dr. Harle, Coroner and Medical Examiner of Maui County 221 Mahalani Street, Wailuku HI 96793 (808) 244-9056 | Fax: (808) 242-2443 Maui Memorial Medical Center 28 Hyperventilation brought on by panic or fear rarely results in death. 29 http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/maui-police-release-cause-of-death-for-fuddy/-/8905354/23912372/-/qt081t/-/index.html#ixzz2xITz0qDK 30 http://www.staradvertiser.com/s?action=login&f=y&id=240050041 31 http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24439053/breaking-autopsy-for-health-director-fuddy-following-plane-crash-released. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/loretta-fuddy-cause-of-death_n_4592104.html


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KEYWORDS: barrycide; birthcertificate; birthers; bobbauer; butterdezillion; eligibility; forgery; fraud; fuddy; hawaii; kenyanbornmuzzie; lorettafuddy; maui; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: danamco
Did Presidents Reagan or Clinton make any “funny” decisions AFTER their meetings and were those meeting not disclosed in some details.

Is that sentence in English? I have no idea what that means.

Interesting, IIRC, one justice was not present and stood up at the mentioned SOUA whispering “NOT TRUE”???

You are garbling two separate event involving two separate justices. Alito wouldn't meet with Obama and Biden because Biden voted against Alito's confirmation. Scalia met with Obama and Biden before their inauguration, but said "not true" when Obama lied about the Citizens United decision during the SOTUA.

501 posted on 04/05/2014 11:50:51 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: little jeremiah; Fantasywriter

Is there a source for this to looked at???


502 posted on 04/05/2014 1:03:36 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Fantasywriter; little jeremiah

Sorry for my ignorance, I’ve not been on F.R. regularly, but what is Mal-Valer???


503 posted on 04/05/2014 1:09:20 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Lurking Libertarian; little jeremiah

And Thomas never said: “We are evading that”???


504 posted on 04/05/2014 1:12:29 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: 4Zoltan

One observation is not a proof. It just seemed rather strange their expressions were not troubled. I remember suppressed fear on the faces from the Hudson Miracle.


505 posted on 04/05/2014 1:23:41 PM PDT by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Let me see if I can help you out with your English, which is only my 3rd. language, sorry. I could done it more correctly in my native language, but that wouldn’t have helped you either, so here we go:

1) Did President Reagan make any “funny” = controversial decisions after meeting with member of SCOTUS, and was this meeting disclosed in some details, publicly?

2) Did President Clinton make any “funny” = controversial decisions after meeting with members of SCOTUS and was this meeting disclosed in some details, publicly??

3) I’m sorry I’ve confused you, I tried to make it shorter for you to understand, which you obviously do NO!!!!


506 posted on 04/05/2014 1:26:24 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Interesting take, did both of them NOT also voted against Barry, (Soebarkah,) Soetoro, AKA BOH???


507 posted on 04/05/2014 1:30:13 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

An interesting thread.

Much valid info amidst other...stuff.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2913366/posts?page=1790#1790


508 posted on 04/05/2014 1:35:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: danamco

It would help if you could state what “funny” = controversial decision(s) Obama made after meeting with 8 of the 9 members of SCOTUS. We all know that Obama’s meeting was disclosed publicly as there are pictures of the meeting. It was Chief Justice Roberts who invited Obama & Biden.

Obama and Biden meet with Supreme Court justices
Los Angeles Times
January 15, 2009

The pre-inaugural visit has become something of a tradition among incoming presidents. It also gave Obama and Chief Justice John Roberts a fresh start; Obama voted against his confirmation in 2005.

WASHINGTON — President-elect Barack Obama paid a visit Wednesday to the Supreme Court and chatted in front of a fireplace with Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., a fellow Harvard law graduate whose confirmation he opposed three years ago.

The two will meet again at noon Tuesday, when the chief justice gives the oath of the office to the incoming president.

Wednesday’s meeting was described as a relaxed, get-acquainted session. It included Roberts, seven associate justices and Vice President-elect Joe Biden.

The absence of Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who was at the court Wednesday morning for arguments in two cases, was a mystery. He has, however, voiced lingering anger over Senate Democrats, including Obama and Biden, who voted against his confirmation three years ago. When walking on Capitol Hill, Alito has said, he crosses to the far side of the street whenever he nears the Senate Office Building.

Twice in recent decades, incoming presidents have paid a pre-inaugural visit to the court. President Reagan and Vice President George H.W. Bush did so in 1981, and President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore in 1992. Clinton was an hour late and kept then-Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist waiting.

Obama, however, was on time for his 3:45 p.m. meeting.

No such visit was arranged for President Bush in 2001. Since the Supreme Court had cleared the way for Bush’s victory a few weeks earlier in a 5-4 ruling, a friendly visit was seen as awkward.

Last month Roberts wrote Obama and extended an invitation. Noting the past visits, he said, “The associate justices and I would be pleased to see that sporadic practice become a congenial tradition.”

When Roberts was seeking confirmation in September 2005, he met privately with Obama, who was then the junior senator from Illinois.

The next day, Obama voted against his confirmation, though he said he did so reluctantly.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/15/nation/na-obama-roberts15


509 posted on 04/05/2014 1:41:17 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Fantasywriter

You quote a comment made in 2008? Hasn’t any water flown under your bridge since then? Apparently not, and there’s the root of your problem. You’re in a time warp. You’re forever stuck in Mary-baby-sat-the-potus land. Before she dropped the can, that the woman who Charlette Le Fevre found in Seattle was ANNA OBAMA whose child Mary babysat in January 1961, while Stanley Ann Dunham was still in high school when that child was conceived.


510 posted on 04/05/2014 2:19:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: 4Zoltan

http://www.conservativecrusader.com/articles/b-hussein-obama-i-will-stand-with-the-muslims

Page 261 in Audacity of Hope


511 posted on 04/05/2014 2:31:12 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Fantasywriter
I wasn’t/am not the one claiming there are or were nude pics of SAD. I quoted for you a Fred Nerks post in which he, not I, made that claim. Clear?

After which I traced the image to a porn site that devoted several pages to images of girls wearing stockings, high heeled shoes and large earrings. The images published by someone claiming they were of Stanley Ann, one with a serial number, had been removed, but there were a number of others of the same girl.

I finally traced the original poster. It turned out to be a Brisbane 'academic' who claimed they had been sent to him by an anonymous 'genealogist' - and when I sent him further examples of the same girl, other than those he had linked to a page off-site from his blog, from which the images we are familiar with were circulated, he stopped responding to my correspondence. I didn't name him, and hoped he would be ashamed.

We then looked deeper into the comparisons between the two women, Stanley Ann and the model, and ultimately found that not only was there little resemblance, but Stanley Ann would have needed major facial restructuring to remotely resemble the model from the exotic website. Finally, a collection of the magazines in which the images appeared came to light which showed that the photographs had been published in 1958.

The site, vintage-pron com was totally wiped clean at the time of the Gilbert mockumentary. I posted literally hundreds of examples to show it was NOT the same person. And now you choose a comment I made in 2008 before all this work? Where have you been for the last five or six years?

Writing fantasy?

512 posted on 04/05/2014 2:37:59 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Lurking Libertarian; butterdezillion

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/04/04/cuban-twitter-scam-social-media-tool-disseminating-government-propaganda/

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/us-secretly-built-cuban-twitter-stir-unrest

Some links for you related to government propaganda.


513 posted on 04/05/2014 2:50:45 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Fred Nerks

At this point, anyone reading these threads wanting valid and useful info knows exactly what’s going on.


514 posted on 04/05/2014 3:03:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: 22cal
" I remember suppressed fear on the faces from the Hudson Miracle."

Like this woman?


515 posted on 04/05/2014 3:08:17 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 22cal

Crash survivor Keith Yamamoto was holding Loretta Fuddy’s hand in the ocean in an attempt to “calm her down” (his words). It didn’t work, she died of Cardiac Arrhythmia. The stress of falling out of the sky and into the Pacific Ocean can do that to you.
When human beings are traumatized, they often are zombie-like in outward appearance, the panic is internal.


516 posted on 04/05/2014 3:37:12 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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To: Fantasywriter

Does Richard Ndesandjo exist?


517 posted on 04/05/2014 3:47:00 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson
Does Richard Ndesandjo exist?

Did Buddy Richardson exist?

518 posted on 04/05/2014 3:58:20 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Greenperson

What about Kiasa M’Bute..
She.. so often mocked by being called Miss “Kissa-my-booty”...

Because she is now in charge of Whitehouse Kitchen Procurement.

That’s right.. you have allowed “Kissa-my-booty” to feed the President.


519 posted on 04/05/2014 4:02:08 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: danamco

A Mal-Valer is a person who says Obama’s parents are Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf. There is no source because there is zero evidence. It’s just a theory that some aggressively promote.


520 posted on 04/05/2014 4:15:52 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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