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To: GunRunner

Why do you not understand that to posit God as the agent of the universe has nothing to do with man’s attempts to explain the working of various parts of the universe through the use of science?

Example. After the fifteenth century, the production of books was greatly multiplied because of a new invention. And to explain the mechanism of movable type is entirely separate from and independent of any mention of the person, Johannes Gutenberg.

Is movable type an explanation for the printing press? Yes.

Is Johannes Gutenberg an explanation for the printing press? Yes.

Mechanism on the one hand, agency on the other.


566 posted on 06/05/2014 8:51:46 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: reasonisfaith

The real test is how the atheist will respond to this—the atheist learning for the first time about the distinction between mechanism and agency.

I could be wrong, but it seems this concept is fairly new relative to the debate on divine existence.


567 posted on 06/05/2014 8:56:50 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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I get it. So mechanism and agency is the newest buzz term for the creator regression.

So what is the agency for bone cancer?

568 posted on 06/05/2014 9:33:35 PM PDT by GunRunner
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