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To: Sherman Logan

There are many who think Tom is one of the Valar, Tulkas in particular because there are a lot of similarities between the two and their wives.


50 posted on 05/22/2014 8:04:08 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

That’s possible, I suppose, though JRR said he left his background mysterious on purpose.

The identification with Tulkas doesn’t work for me. Tulkas was a mighty warrior who delighted in feats of strength. If he’d been around on Middle Earth, he’d have wanted to challenge Sauron directly. Given that he’d defeated Melkor, he probably wouldn’t have had any trouble defeating Sauron.

More critically, it seems likely to me that the Valar were put into a different position when Numenor was destroyed near the end of the Second Age.

Their home, Aman, was removed from the circles of the world, and presumably they themselves were isolated from the world. Rather than going themselves to confront Sauron in the Third Age, they sent minions, the five wizards. To me at least this implies Eru had directed them not to interfere directly.


51 posted on 05/22/2014 8:12:35 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jonty30

There are many who think Tom is one of the Valar, Tulkas in particular because there are a lot of similarities between the two and their wives.


Thanks for that. Makes some sense, and explains Tom pretty well.


60 posted on 05/23/2014 4:25:31 AM PDT by Geoffrey
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