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To: Nero Germanicus
Its not my claim.
It was David Jeffrey Bomford of Australia...


BS, YOU claimed and/or implied that the BC which Lucas Smith obtained from Kenya is a forgery! Nobody in Australia ever claimed that it was made with their BC. Get your "facts" straight.

Stop posting your BS nonsense because everyone with more than half a brain knows that you are full of it.
71 posted on 06/19/2014 12:52:16 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

I think you are conflating two different fake bc’s. The Lucas Smith bc is not based on the Australian Bomford bc - that was a different one that was just used to punk Orly, successfully I gather.


74 posted on 06/19/2014 2:30:48 AM PDT by cousteausghost
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To: Brown Deer

On the Bomford forgery:

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-08-08/story/fact-check-no-again-not-obamas-birth-certificate-kenya

On Lucas D. Smith, his state of Iowa felony conviction record:
1) #023705 STATE OF IOWA VS SMITH, LUCAS DANIEL
Felony 715.A(2) – forgery guilty 5/22/1998

2) #144901 STATE VS LUCAS D SMITH
Felony, forgery 715A.2(B) — Forgery – guilty plea to 3 counts – 2/28/2000

3) #034823 STATE OF IOWA VS SMITH, LUCAS DANIEL SMITH
Felony 714.2(2) theft, 2nd degree- guilty 5/25/2000

4) #054329 STATE VS SMITH, LUCAS DANIEL
Felony – 714.2(4) theft-4th degree – 4 counts guilty (srms);
(This action also included a felony count of 715A.2(A) Forgery which was dismissed, most likely as part of a plea bargain) 12/28/2000

5) #182543 STATE VS LUCAS D SMITH
Felony – 714.2(3) – theft, 3rd degree — guilty 8/9/2004 (multiple counts)

So basically there are 5 separate felony convictions, some involving multiple counts, between 1998 and 2004.

Here are some of the issues with the Lucas D. Smith Kenyan Birth Certificate:
1) Smith tried to sell his copy on E-Bay
2) The hospital administrator is wrong. In “February 19 of 2009,” the date stamped on the Smith document and the month when Smith claims he visited Kenya, the chief administrator of the hospital was Jennifer Othigo. Her tenure included “February 19 of 2009” because of newspaper articles naming her as chief administrator on February 1, 2009 and February 26, 2009. Maganga, the person listed as chief administrator on the Smith document did not assume that post until months later.
3) The certificate bears the seal of the hospital. A seal signifies a certified copy. Generally hospitals don’t issue certified copies, jurisdictions do. The seal should be that of the government of Kenya (or the district), not the hospital.
4) worldnetdaily.com says they have a real Kenyan birth certificate from the time period, and this one doesn’t look the one they published. This is not a fatal error because the WND document is a real government-issued birth certificate, while the Lucas document would be closer to a hospital souvenir birth certificate.
4) The signature has the pre-printed title “Supervisor of Obstetrics” when there are all sorts of conditions when someone else might sign the form. In pretty much any real form, the title of the signer is a blank to be filled in. For example, the Bomford example from South Australia has a blank to fill in.
5) Neither parent signed the certificate. Of course if this is only a hospital souvenir, then the parents would not have to sign, but why is is a souvenir sealed and signed to make it look like an official document? On an official birth registration form the person providing the information about father and mother (i.e. the father or mother) must sign the form.
If a pregnant Ann Obama was going to Kenya in 1961, Mombasa was the last place she should have been delivering a baby. Mombasa is on the eastern coast, the airport is in Nairobi in the center of the country and the grandparents’ village was in the opposite direction from Mombasa on Kenya’s western border. Mombasa was a stupid mistake made early on (e.g. in the original complaint of Berg v Obama), and copied by true believers ever since.
Obama Sr.’s father was against the marriage and Obama Sr. already had a wife there, which begs the question of why to go to Africa in the first place and particularly in the middle of a civil war.
6) The date format used throughout the document is mm/dd/yy. Kenya uses dd/yy/mm format. Kenyan university application requirements pages located online specify that birth certificates are in dd/yy/mm format. (Smith claims that Kenya used both British and American date formats, but provided no reason to believe that this is true).
7) Obama Sr’s birth date is only a year but Stanley Ann shows a full date of birth. Why is the the father’s full date of birth missing? The year was all that was on the Wikipedia, but we now know from immigration files that the day of birth was June 18, but this was not known publicly when the Smith Kenyan certificate surfaced. This is a bit of a smoking gun.
8) The Smith Kenyan birth certificate has been submitted as an exhibit to several courts, going back to 2009 and as recently as last month in an all-Republican appeal before the all-Republican Alabama Supreme Court (McInnish, Goode v. Chapman). This birth certificate has had no positive impact on the outcome of any trial or appeal.


90 posted on 06/19/2014 12:17:07 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus (PALIN/CRUZ: 2016)
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