“Get arrested, go to court, sue the cops”
There has to be REASONABLE SUSPICION you committed a crime first before a police officer can make an arrest. This has to be supported with EVIDENCE, of which there was none.
There were multiple witnesses in the area that could have been interviewed PRIOR to him being placed IN CUSTODY.
IN CUSTODY actually means something. It means that the moment they put cuffs on him, those officers were DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF THE PERSON IN CUSTODY.
That’s why you make DAMN SURE you actually want to arrest someone before you arrest them, because once you do, you are responsible for the person IN CUSTODY, or IN THE CUSTODY OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK CITY.
Now, as for your theory about the poor black man meekly submitting himself for arrest, when they didn’t have an arrest warrant, no probable cause to indicate he had evidence of a crime, and no reasonable suspicion a crime had been committed, just because all of that happens doesn’t mean a lawyer will be provided by the city of New York so that the man can sue the city for him.
Getting a lawyer to actually take your case is a pretty difficult thing to do, considering he can’t pay, which means the costs need to be financed by the lawyer prior to receiving a settlement. This means the lawyer has to be confident that 1) there were damages, and 2) the damages were such that the award would take care of both him and his client. Had he simply forfeited all of his 1st, 4th, 5th, and likely 6th amendment rights just to avoid getting beaten by Precinct KKK, there wouldn’t have been the damages required to get a lawyer interested.
So, that’s the real world, Timmy. Apparently, you slept through your civics classes and spent too much time watching Law and Order, or NYPD Blue. If you don’t assert your rights, you lose them. This guy was tired of it, and he died.
Adams told us, “Liberties lost are gone forever.” Nobody restores your freedoms. You have to win them back, and the process is bloody.
You mean probable cause? Looking at that video I don’t know what probable cause they had to make an arrest. I’m not commenting on their reason or merits for arrest, I’m commenting on the lie that the ‘choke hold’ killed the man. It did not. The man died of a heart attack from most likely overexertion. Autopsy already said he had no damage to his trachea.
Regarding the bit about finding a lawyer, it is not difficult to find an ambulance chaser who will gladly file a civil rights violation lawsuit, happens all the time, I’ve been there several times. You can sue the police for looking at your cross-eyed.
Unless there is another video or further information has come to light, other than the video pertaining to this thread, your comments are speculation and conjecture. Having been in countless incidents like this as a police officer, I did not see anything that would constitute excessive force and the man was not rendered unconscious by the arm around his neck, or ‘choked out’ as it is commonly referred to.
I will also predict that this video is going to actually help the police officers. The man is bigger than both officers. He resisted his lawful arrest. He could have easily pushed the officer who had him from behind through the plate glass window they were against causing serious physical harm or death to the officer. The man is never rendered unconscious and they summoned aid for him in a reasonable amount of time.
People won’t like that of course and it is unfortunate the man died but it does happen. It happens to police officers and the people they try to arrest.
NYPD should issue tasers. No guarantee people won’t die from that but it would probably look better and the media won’t be able to (wait, what am I thinking) lie as to the cause of death to incite more hatred between police and minorities.