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To: EternalVigilance

OK, that may be a straw man in regards to Romney, but it’s applicable to the rest of this thread which is about voting for lesser evils. We know all candidates are going to fall short of Jesus. If we were voting for Jesus, it would be a very easy decision, but we’re not. At what point can I vote for a sinner without conforming to the world and aiding evil?????

No. Killing millions of babies is not negotiable for me. I don’t want to kill babies, but there was no option (in the 2012 general election) that could produce a nationwide abortion ban. Abortion is just one sin—a very serious one to be sure, but there are many others. How much sin disqualifies a candidate? What if a candidate wants to ban abortion but isn’t willing to pass laws making it murder? Does that disqualify them?

If one is absolutely pure on abortion, i.e. abortion is murder; therefore, we need laws and candidates willing to punish abortion like murder, we will probably never vote again. Even if we DID have a candidate like that, there is zero chance that that candidate would win.

I’ll grant that situations like Romney are really stretching the lesser of two evils argument, but some here will not vote for any perceived RINO. That’s their right, and I respect that. I’m simply saying that can result in something even worse. In the case of abortion, we might end up with a ghoul like President Obama who not only endorses and promotes abortion but wants to use our tax money to pay for it.


685 posted on 09/18/2014 7:19:50 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: CitizenUSA
If one is absolutely pure on abortion, i.e. abortion is murder; therefore, we need laws and candidates willing to punish abortion like murder, we will probably never vote again. Even if we DID have a candidate like that, there is zero chance that that candidate would win.

IMO, you're stuck in the mental trap that assures continued total surrender and defeat.

692 posted on 09/18/2014 7:25:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: CitizenUSA; EternalVigilance
Even if we DID have a candidate like that, there is zero chance that that candidate would win.

That chance is less than zero unless conservatives like you support him instead of settling for GOP-E. You do know who you're debating with, don't you? The man is the most pro-life person I've ever seen on this website.

694 posted on 09/18/2014 7:41:29 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: CitizenUSA; RitaOK; Norm Lenhart; Finny
The funding resolution passed by Congress tonight and prepared in the Republican House provides for taxpayer funding for abortion under Obamacare and indirectly by funding other expenses of Planned Parenthood which murdered 327,000+ babies last year alone by surgical abortion alone and could apply a similar amount of money already budgeted for other items and shift those funds to baby killing.

Romney required abortion funding and funding of sex change operations under Romneycare.

Suppose you care most about ten issues:

1. Ending abortion;

2. Defending marriage exclusively as an institution of one man and one woman per marriage;

3. Rebuilding our military;

4. Individual 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms;

5. Ending Obamacare; 6. Reducing the size and scope of the federal government;

7. Reducing the federal budget;

8. Repealing most of Obozo's Executive Orders;

9. Nominating young brilliant killer federal judges;

10. Cutting federal taxes on ordinary folks of modest means;

Further assume that the GOP controls the White House and both houses of Congress. The GOP has too much on its plate to enact everything at once.

Suppose that abortion is the most contentious issue and they decide to put it aside for now so that they can concentrate on some of the more easily achievable priorities.

You might start with rebuilding the military: jobs, contracts for ships, planes, weapons, etc. A traditionally reasonably popular priority. You do need time to put the specifics in bill form.

Your new attorney general goes to war for 2nd Amendment rights. The courts are doing this anyhow. The time is right. Of course if the POTUS is gun grabber Romney, maybe the AG will be on the other side. Did I say maybe?

Unlike a Romney administration, this Republican administration is not trying to sin but the world surrounds and tries to drown this administration in evils just as it does to each of us. The moral issues get set aside one by one and have a LOT of trouble getting back on the front burner.

As days go by, unexpected issues arise. American missionaries are being crucified in groups on YouTube by ISIS, for example. A terrorist attack strikes an American military installation or a city or a daycare center. POTUS must do something about such atrocities. Precious time is ticking by.

If the President is Myth, he welcomes these distractions to some extent because of the extreme difficulty he always has with social and military conservatives who will NEVER trust him and for good reason. These distractions allow him to ignore the social issues and to tell Congress to keep its collective eye on the crisis of the moment.

The Lamestream Media does not hate or fear Romney because he is trustworthy on baby killing and gay everything. If he asks for slack on his failure/refusal to satisfy social conservatives, the media are willing to co-operate.

Now, if Ted Cruz is POTUS, I have a LOT more confidence in good outcomes. Like Myth, Ted also has a track record and it is largely the opposite of Myth's track record. The media may scream like vampires tossed in a lake of Holy Water but Ted will stand firm. He may even be a bit of the new Reagan we have been searching for. I suspect he needs to learn some self-deprecating humor and a very sure-footed human touch. If people accept that he really cares for the vast majority of us who did not attend Princeton undergrad and Harvard Law, if he learns to drop a credible tear when appropriate, if he learns to exhibit genuine concern for the less fortunate among us and the base comes along for the ride because it trusts Ted, if he learns to connect with today's equivalent of Reagan Democrats, he will win the nomination and the election. They despise Obozo (and Romney) and crave leadership on the issues THEY care about.

I was talking to a physical therapist this week who emigrated to the US from India the hard way by obeying our laws and he was very proud of obeying those laws. I told him that I had never seen an Asian couple in Connecticut's divorce courts, nor an Asian kid in Connecticut's criminal courts, nor any Asian immigrant who was not hard-working and productive and successful and yet, from what I read, Asian American voters are heavily Democrat. I asked him why. He seemed to be a conservative Republican but a Hindu and he was eager to answer. He told me that he found it frustrating but the Democrats are much better at welcoming people to the US. Republicans seem uninterested in people like him who are not European and not Christian. He said that many Asians are social conservatives and would fit well in the GOP and that their work ethic also would incline them toward the GOP if only it would seek them. I think I was able to help him see it in a different light because I was the Republican who actually asked his opinion and listened. We spent a productive half hour exploring matters political.

If Ted can learn to talk to Asians, Blacks, and his fellow Hispanics in such a fashion, again I think he enhances his victory. If Ted can also become a credible and effective leader on restoring the American economy from the ground up, so much the better. Speaking credibly on America's educational failures and prescribing appropriate remedies, likewise.

I feel sure that Ted Cruz has flaws as well as do we all. OTOH, I am confident that his flaws are much rarer than most in our politics.

710 posted on 09/18/2014 9:44:38 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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