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To: Chainmail
You didn't answer my last post so I'll respond to this one too:

Turns out I have other matters to attend to in life. But as you feel slighted, I'll do what I can with your additional statements.

You are, in the field of firearms history what is known as a BS Artist.

Hmmm, I'm starting to feel that you might be an expert on BS artists, with inside perspective. I've been a collector for 20 years, held many positions in organizations dedicated to historical firearms, but I haven't held the BS artist position yet. I'll look into it.

Japanese machine guns during the battle of Guadalcanal weren't "crappy". They were odd-looking to Western eyes but they were good, serviceable designs that acquitted themselves well - too well. The Type 92 and the Type 96 "Nambu" in particular were deadly and reliable.

Being a copy of the French Hotchkiss M1914, I don't know why it would look weird to an army that had used the Hotchkiss 20 years prior. However, like the Hotchkiss, the Type 92 used the stiff clip feed, that hindered its sustained fire role, led to jamming, and required constant attention from another gun handler. It prevented it from being used effectively while on the move, like the MG42 or even the M1919. The Japanese tried to solve the jamming issue by adding an integral oiler that brused each round, something that might work at the range, but only added to problem in a dirty environment.

The Type 96 was an adequate weapon, generally superior to the BAR, but it wasn't a heavy machine gun. Having a box magazine, it was functionally more of a squad automatic weapon.

Japanese pistols were good designs too but in an ineffective caliber compared to the .45.

Hah! That's funny. One of the model 94s more noteworthy failings is an exposed sear release that is prone to firing the pistol when the slide it touched from the side, like holstering it. To say that the chambering was ineffective is to dismiss a primary weaknes and undersells the fact that a heavier chambering would destroy the weak design.

The Imperial Japanese Army had excellent light howitzers and best of all, the 50mm grenade projector also known as the "Knee Mortar". According to analysis made after the war, it accounted for 60% of all of our infantry casualties against the Japanese in WW II.

Artillery always accounted for the lion share of battlefield casualties in WW2. And although light howitzers and mortors are handy in the jungle, the lack of heavy artillery was a major failing, especially on Okinawa.

Pump shotguns had zero to negligible effect during any of the battles.

Nice job mistating was I said. I didn't say they were a major factor in victory. I said that they were one of the few weapons on Guadalcanal that reliably went bang after 3 days in the jungle. If my great uncle were still alive, I'd let him know that you find his personal accounts of U.S. infantry weapons running from Guadalcanal to Okinawa to be video game derived BS.

The difference was that the US forces seized the key terrain around the airfield and organized effective defenses. The Japanese underestimated the numbers and quality of the US forces and expended their men in futile and wasteful mass attacks. The 37mm canister round was particularly useful during these attacks.

The Japanese held it first, and they too defended it. You've stated an outcome, not a strategy or tactic.

Both sides had high-quality troops but the Americans had the ground and the enemy had to punch through long reaches of very tough terrain to get to our defenses and by the time they reached our perimeters, they were unable to effectively coordinate their actions and breach the defenses. We were also supported by excellent artillery made up of 75mm and 105mm howitzers that were well directed and courageously served. In the end, disease and starvation thinned the rest of them out and we held the field.

I think you are now making my point.

Try not to make simplistic statements about weapons - without first doing the research.

If you don't own a mirror, purchase one today.

73 posted on 10/19/2014 7:26:37 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
Ah, the gauntlet is returned!

So you are in fact an expert in firearms and firearms history? Great... So let's get cracking.

The Type 92 machinegun had a reputation for being very reliable and the training of the Japanese assistant gunners offset the weakness of using the stiff and short-winded Hotchkiss style clips. The key metrics were that it worked very reliably throughout the war and like any other machine gun that worked well, it was feared. The Type 96 had an almost cult following, with the high-pitched crack of it 6.5mm caliber and the nearly smokeless/flashless powder. It was a favorite souvenir when it could be captured. Once again, it was known to be effective, dependable, and was used throughout the Pacific war.

Japanese pistols were adequate for what pistols do in combat: work as essentially a semiautomatic knife for very close combat. Both the Type 94 and the Type 14 were rugged and reliable pistols. The Type 94 is supremely ugly and usually crude but it works fine. The exposed sear bar doesn't make the pistol "go off when you put it in the holster" - it takes a firm squeeze to fire the pistol using the sear bar which is recessed below the surface of the slide. Pistols don't make very much difference in combat. As the joke goes, they're for officers to use on themselves when they screw up.

You gloss over the role of the Type 98 50mm Grenade Projector - it isn't just part of the artillery and mortar heap you assign it to. It was a squad infantry weapon which used a 50mm HE point detonating projectile accurately out to 300 yards or standard infantry grenades with a small propellant cup out to 120 yards. Each projectile contained almost a pound of TNT and it was an excellent fragmenter - it was a machine gun killer by design. It's employment envelope corresponded exactly to the operating range of most machine guns and had the precision to nail one with a first shot in the hands of an experienced gunner. Like I said before, that particular weapon was the main source of our casualties in the Pacific.

You are incorrect about the Japanese "defending the airfield": they didn't the few combat troops and majority construction troops fled when the 1st MarDiv landed. The Marines seized the airfield immediately and intact including all of the Japanese supplies, facilities and construction equipment and radios and even the icemaker and then set up the first of several defensive perimeters. Once the Marines were in place the Japanese hid in the jungle until the reinforcing forces under Col Ishiki arrived and the Col. Ishiki made the fatal mistake of attacking immediately across the Ilu River and getting his forces annihilated. Primarily by M1919s, by the way.

We could talk for days, I'm sure but we both knew veterans of that fight. I have the additional advantage of having spent decades actually using infantry weapons and supporting arms for real and in training. And some 13 years developing new ones for the Marine Corps.

Blanket statements like "the Japanese machine guns were crappy" attract my attention, every time.

76 posted on 10/19/2014 8:47:43 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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