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The EPA Threatens to Ban – ARGON ?
Watts Up With That ^ | 29 October 2014 | Anthony Watts, Eric Worrall

Posted on 10/29/2014 6:50:04 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE

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41 posted on 10/29/2014 9:40:02 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Moltke

Is that sort of like, why they call them NEON tubes?


42 posted on 10/29/2014 9:40:57 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

They are trying to ban welding!

Nothing but mild steel can be welded without Argon.
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43 posted on 10/29/2014 9:44:03 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Dr. Sivana

“Isn’t argon used in most double and triple-paned glass windows? And in the vaccuum tubes still used in some electric guitar amps?”

No and no. Windows use nitrogen and vacuum tubes ideally have no gas in them.


44 posted on 10/29/2014 9:53:45 AM PDT by babygene
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To: SoCal Pubbie

“Argon is used in neon lighting too.”

No it’s not...


45 posted on 10/29/2014 9:54:50 AM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene

Uh, yes it is. By neon of course I mean the general category of lighting. Don’t nitpick on some technicality that neon is not the gas used in every situation.


46 posted on 10/29/2014 9:57:07 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“If I recall correctly, it’s red.”

No...
Neon has the famous bright orange glow, argon is a deep purple, nitrogen is a reddish purple.


47 posted on 10/29/2014 10:00:32 AM PDT by babygene
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To: Cvengr

Yep, the same naming principle applies :-).


48 posted on 10/29/2014 10:24:16 AM PDT by Moltke ("The Press, Watson, is a most valuable institution if you only know how to use it.")
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To: babygene; Moltke
Some special-purpose tubes are constructed with particular gases in the envelope. For instance, voltage-regulator tubes contain various inert gases such as argon, helium or neon, which will ionize at predictable voltages.

Perhaps the term vacuum tube is used loosely, but I know when I was smashing my dad's old TV tubes in the 1st grade classroom metal waste basket, they were releasing SOME kind of gas. I don't know what the school would do if some seven year old did that today. I received a mild rebuke.
49 posted on 10/29/2014 11:16:32 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: babygene

“No...”

You’re right!
It’s been 40 years since I worked for a company that made neon dance floors. We used three tubes in each floor channel; Red,Yellow, and Blue. So, depending on which tubes we lit, we got Red/Yellow/Blue/Orange/Purple/Green. All three tubes lit was a fugly color we called Burple! Fun company to work for! Met a lot of lovely cocktail waitresses!


50 posted on 10/29/2014 12:01:14 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

“For instance, voltage-regulator tubes contain various inert gases such as argon, helium or neon, which will ionize at predictable voltages.”

There used to be voltage regulator tubes 50 years ago... They were not vacuum tubes though. And they weren’t used in TVs though. Except for antiques, the only vacuum tube we use today as consumers are the magnetron in your microwave oven.

There are a few exceptions to this, for instance some audio buffs think tube amplifiers sound better. They still use traveling wave tubes but most of that has switched over to semiconductors. Some radio transmitters still use them.


51 posted on 10/29/2014 12:35:08 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Dr. Sivana

“Some special purpose tubes” - rare and neither audio amplifier tubes nor “vacuum” tubes. And what you experienced was more likely implosion, not explosion.

The typical amplifier triode has a heated cathode - the glow you see and which emits a stream of thermionic electrons - a plate (anode), and inbetween a grid which “regulates” the amount of electrons which reach the plate. A small (music) signal is applied to the grid which controls the (larger) cathode-to-plate current - bingo! amplification! (To drive a loudspeaker usually a transformer is used to convert the high-voltage/low-current signal of the tube to a low-voltage/high-current signal able to drive the speaker.) The presence of *any* gases in the tube would inhibit the flow of electrons from the cathode to the plate and you’d be looking for a replacement. Well, that’s the basic principle.


52 posted on 10/29/2014 2:22:38 PM PDT by Moltke ("The Press, Watson, is a most valuable institution if you only know how to use it.")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The EPA should be threatened with a close down


53 posted on 10/29/2014 5:15:05 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

Thanks Robert A. Cook, PE.

It isn’t about argon, or about safety, or about the environment, it is about power.


54 posted on 10/31/2014 7:57:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Anyone who welds Aluminium or Stainless Steel will be familiar with Argon, which is used with MIG and TIG welders, to blow oxygen away from the electric welding arc, to prevent oxidative damage to the weld joint. Any effort to regulate the use of this harmless substance would do incalculable damage to American industrial competitiveness, for no benefit whatsoever. See details http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argon

Has Obama sold out to the Chinese?

55 posted on 10/31/2014 8:47:50 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Are You More Likely to be Infected or Beheaded Today Than You Were 6 Years Ago? freeperPROCON)
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To: babygene; Dr. Sivana

Actually, high powered “audiophile” amplifiers manufactured today still use the 6L6GC vacuum tube, and they are very expensive! But they do not use any inert gas whatsoever.


56 posted on 11/02/2014 3:51:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: GOPJ; Robert A. Cook, PE

>> “Has Obama sold out to the Chinese?” <<

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In union with Bill Clinton, and George W Bush.
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57 posted on 11/02/2014 3:52:56 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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