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To: DesertRhino

The WSJ article says the data on other than the actual suspect is not retained. So, why is that unconstitutional?


12 posted on 11/13/2014 5:11:30 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Principles without power aren't worth spit.)
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To: DugwayDuke

I am sure you will “relate” to it when you get pulled over, stri p searched and your car stripped if after that they say ‘,you are free to leave’.

Bunch of NAZIS....


15 posted on 11/13/2014 5:30:08 PM PST by VRWCarea51 (The original 1998 version)
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To: DugwayDuke

Looking for a suspect, you do not get to search inside every home until you find their hiding place, and then say no foul on all the others whom you invaded.
How about steaming open every single mail envelope until you find the criminal? Is that ok as long as you seal them up and send them on their way?

And they said they don’t save it/ That’s why they are building that big center out by Dugway proving ground I guess. Kind of like Clapper said the NSA didn’t do domestic spying, lying under oath. Your trust that they don’t store it is nice. Wide eyed innocence is refreshing in this day and age.


16 posted on 11/13/2014 5:30:28 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DugwayDuke

“The WSJ article says the data on other than the actual suspect is not retained. So, why is that unconstitutional?”

4th amendment is utterly clear. It doesn’t have a clause that they may search anyone’s papers and effects and read over it without a warrant as long as they don’t keep the data when they don’t find what they were after.

You get a law degree in a Cracker Jack box?


18 posted on 11/13/2014 5:33:06 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Look, forget electronics, if they wanted to go through your desk drawer, or steam open you mail before it was delivered, everyone would know you need a warrant for one specific person. A general fishing expedition is the clearest violation of the constitution one can imagine.

But make it electronic rather than a physical piece of paper, and suddenly its ok?

This is the hallmark of every totalitarian government ever seen. Only we are doing it better.


19 posted on 11/13/2014 5:36:25 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Power without principles is evil.


20 posted on 11/13/2014 5:37:12 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DugwayDuke
The WSJ article says the data on other than the actual suspect is not retained. So, why is that unconstitutional?

#1) I ... do ... NOT ... believe ... THEM ...

#2) I'm sure they're building that 5 zeta digital storage facility in Utah for storing missing IRS emails.

If you believe ANYTHING the govt tells you, more the fool you be.

Believe NONE of the govt propaganda pedaled out to you on a daily basis and your life will be MUCH safer.

25 posted on 11/13/2014 6:50:27 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (An army of deer led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions, led by a deer.)
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To: DugwayDuke
.. data on other than the actual suspect is not retained. So, why is that unconstitutional?

Shirley you're not series ?

28 posted on 11/13/2014 7:34:38 PM PST by tomkat ( cynicism helps fight truth decay)
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To: DugwayDuke

For the same reason it’s illegal to search through all of your possessions without a warrant, even if you don’t use the “evidence” thereby obtained.


33 posted on 03/26/2015 8:20:25 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47 -- with leather.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Because there is an expectation of privacy using a phone in a car in which you are the only occupant. Unless you have a warrant, you can’t listen, peak, snoop, surveil, or probe.

I’ve got a neat gadget that basically turns the walls of your house into glass. What’s the harm in parking my van with the neat gadget outside any random house and turning on the video?

See where we are going here? Secure in persons, papers, what not. It had a brief mention in the Bill of Rights somewhere.


35 posted on 03/27/2015 9:15:53 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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