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I am thinking a tax on import oil may be inline

Posted on 12/03/2014 12:14:10 PM PST by jyro

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To: PieterCasparzen
“hey, government should leave businesses to do as they please, stop harassing and regulating all businesses”...

Do you think that was what I was recommending?

I don't want government to select oil to tariff, solar to subidize, etc.

Reasonable regulation and taxes, applied equally across industries and commerce is what I seek.

121 posted on 12/04/2014 5:09:24 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

Unfortunately, the scenario in #119 has been in effect for over a century, just on such a large scale that it’s hard to discern. It’s such a huge conspiracy it’s unbelievable to most people.

The “powers that be” behind the Feral government have been and are calling the shots.

That’s why the FG is used to help their interests and hurt others, according to their whim.

The only choices we see on our ballots are choices that the conspirators are ok with; elected politicians as a whole simply follow what “the experts” tell them to do, and “the experts” are minions of the conspirators.

We have a government that is an illusion; our real rulers operate behind the scenes.


122 posted on 12/04/2014 5:17:20 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Unfortunately, the scenario in #119 has been in effect for over a century,

government should leave businesses to do as they please

You believe government lets business do as they please?

You obviously don't work in the oil/gas/petrochem industry.

123 posted on 12/04/2014 5:22:13 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

No, lol. That’s the point.

The powers that be want the regulation.

Wipes out competition.


124 posted on 12/04/2014 5:23:55 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I must need more coffee. I am missing the point you are trying to get across to me.


125 posted on 12/04/2014 5:26:44 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

You have to imagine that you and I are really, really, cold, nasty people who love money and hate people. Really hate.

Now imagine we’re both multi-billionaires and control a few different industries.

We’re really, really evil.

Now what would we do with government...


126 posted on 12/04/2014 5:30:20 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Ok, I agree corruption exists.

I was trying to tie your discussion to the previous topic of the thread. I assume you are only referring to the term “Feral Government”.


127 posted on 12/04/2014 5:32:48 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

I’m simply saying corruption exists on a far more grand scale than most folks realize.

The theories of conspiracy are true, though very misunderstood.

To financial globalist elites, the top of the top, national governments are but a plaything. It’s like Boss Hogg running Hazzard county to them, they think nothing of it.

The Rockefellers bought the land the United Nations sits on.

That’s who the United Nations is for, the elites. It didn’t just spring out of the minds of the sheeple.


128 posted on 12/04/2014 5:38:55 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: thackney

I don’t lump businesses together as all one thing, for they aren’t. They are either American businesses or not. Our interest should be first and foremost to support American businesses, not foreign businesses and multinational corporations, who want access to our markets but with unfair advantages over our businesses.

The same applies to the rights and privileges granted to American citizens, versus the citizens of other nations. Because we provide social security, healthcare, national and domestic defense, and many other benefits to our citizens, does not and should never mean that we provide them to people who live in other countries. We cannot pay for everyone in the world to live like us.

Likewise, we cannot allow foreign and international corporations to profit at our expense. If we indeed have a level playing field, adjusted to the level of our corporations, then fine. If they want to pay extra in shipping and handling to sell in our markets, it is only just, if Americans want to pay more for foreign produced goods and services.

Not all corporations are the same, so stop pretending that they are. No matter who writes your paycheck.


129 posted on 12/04/2014 6:47:28 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

So tell me how you would want to treat differently a small independent oil producer and a large oil company like ExxonMobil.


130 posted on 12/04/2014 6:54:19 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
No matter who writes your paycheck.

For the record, I work for a very small firm, about a dozen engineers and designers. We only work in the US. Our clients are only working in the US. I don't appreciate the accusation my opinion of public policy is only for personal gain.

131 posted on 12/04/2014 6:55:59 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: FredZarguna

” Government is the problem. Money sent to the government keeps the monster growing. If you think tariff money will be used for anything other than pork funding and more debt I have a bridge in lower Manhattan to sell you. Don’t feed the beast. “

Exactly!


132 posted on 12/04/2014 7:09:38 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; thackney

You guys are making a brave effort to educate but I’m afraid you will not often meet success. The only way to get 30 or 40 years of understanding and experience is a similar amount of time doing the thing.

15 years ago I wrote a report predicting oil price events of higher frequency and amplitude. So far I’ve been right. We’ll see about this one in about 8 months. By then there will be a lot of blood in the streets and a lot of opportunity.

The last two crashes were on bottom for about 4 months if remember it right. The common string of shale wells old and new combined declines 50% in 11 to 18 months. Without a high short term price shale does not make sense. The production is squandered for low gain. V


133 posted on 12/11/2014 2:55:38 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Adversity does not build character so much as expose it.)
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