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To: BroJoeK
Then your mind can clear, and reason prevail.

You aren't sounding reasonable, you are sounding brainwashed. Any minute now I expect you to ask me if i'm of the body of Landru or something.

How you can argue that the British Empire is equivalent to the Southern Rebels, I simply cannot grasp. That is manifestly irrational. It is at least consistent with your notion that one rebellion is good because people have a right to rebel, but another is bad because people don't have a right to rebel. This is about the epitome of subjective rationalization.

352 posted on 12/16/2014 1:38:10 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Sherman Logan; rockrr
DiogenesLamp: "How you can argue that the British Empire is equivalent to the Southern Rebels, I simply cannot grasp.
That is manifestly irrational."

Irrational?
Not if you answer these questions truthfully:

  1. Did both Brits and Confeds revoke their 80+ year-old compacts with Americans, unilaterally and "at pleasure"?
    Answer: yes, they both did in 1773/1691 and 1861/1777

  2. Did both Brits and Confeds send military forces to seize American military property?
    Answer: yes, Confeds seized dozens of Federal properties,
    Brits marched on Lexington & Concord to seize American militia arms.

  3. Did both start wars against Americans?
    Answer: yes, Confeds by military assault on Federal troops in Fort Sumter,
    Brits by assaulting American militia at Lexington & Concord.

  4. Did both invade American lands?
    Answer: yes, Confeds sent arms & troops into every Union state & territory they could reach, sometimes leaving trails of destruction,
    likewise, Brits sent troops and supporters into every colony they could reach, sometimes leaving trails of destruction.

  5. Did both formally declare war on the United States?
    Answer: yes, King George III issued a Proclamation of Rebellion on August 23, 1775,
    Confeds formally declared war on the United States May 6, 1861.

DiogenesLamp: "It is at least consistent with your notion that one rebellion is good because people have a right to rebel, but another is bad because people don't have a right to rebel.
This is about the epitome of subjective rationalization."

Rubbish, I've said no such thing, and you well know it.
What makes Brits & Confeds comparable is that both unilaterally and "at pleasure" revoked their compacts, provoked, started & formally declared war, while invading Americans.

Regardless of what you call it -- rebellion or suppression of rebellion -- both Brits & Confeds operated in violent bad-faith against Americans who still supported the old compacts & ideals.



353 posted on 12/17/2014 4:59:05 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective.)
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