There was nothing mythical about it. The choke hold need not completely cut off all breathing/speaking. For a guy with his issues cutting off even 20% of oxygen might be fatal.
Why do you hate black people? </sarc>
Once again. Garner died from an asthma attack. In my book a self induced one. Not from a choke hold.
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Not according to the autopy. He died of a cardiac arrest.
In my book...
Ah ha! Where’s humblegunner when you need him.
Those issues are fine. Here is my issue: the grand jury is not supposed to determine guilt or innocence.
They are to determine if a crime has been committed and if there is enough material for a prosecution to go forward.
A man died in police custody. A man died when he expressed concern over his ability to breath. There is ample evidence that these events happened. Whether or not the police were guilty of any crime is irrelevant.
There will be those who ask “What crime was committed?”
Negligence. Which is a minor crime. Even as minor as the selling of an untaxed cigarette. But it is still a crime.
Garner ultimately died because he sought to deny the IRS their cut of his take.
So if the police has not been there, he would have died from an asthma attack anyway?
He had asthma? I guess he should have stayed away from cigarettes!
There was nothing mythical about it. The choke hold need not completely cut off all breathing/speaking. For a guy with his issues cutting off even 20% of oxygen might be fatal.
Police know where the untaxed cigarettes originate. If they wanted to end the problem they would start there. Just like the chemicals used to make crank, railroad tank cars roll into Mexico for the drug cartels to use. attack the source, not the poor users.
All I’ve seen is part of the video. I’ve not looked into how long the entire situation was; I assume that one officer stopped him, and when he appeared to not be interested in complying with commands, back up was summoned and a while after that, the events in the video happened.
I think officers arrived with the concept that this was going to be a resisting man, and that was exactly how it played out.
To me, that was the use of excessive force. I have no problem with officers taking down someone who is a danger to themselves or others, but the officer knew who he was dealing with, likely knew exactly where they lived; probably even knew who his probation officer was as well.
I do not see how that couldn’t have been talked out and the suspect’s compliance gained. Which is probably why I’d be an awful police officer in today’s climate.
Things need to change in how officers interact with the public. And I honestly don’t think it will ever happen until there is an actual fear that what happens on the street will be examined in a criminal court room. Right now, the way it appears to me, no officer need consider that. You need to, I need to, all citizens do, but for some reason, officers have magical powers that makes them immune to any criminal consequence except under the most egregious of situations.
If that isn’t a recipe for abuse and mistrust, I don’t know what is.
..who needed to be exterminated?
Since when does being a pest or selling un-taxed cigarettes constitute a capital crime? Don't be so eager to defend the police who lie, cheat, steal, and kill just as much as the general public does.
Did you read the autopsies before writing this? Your article is almost pure BS.
From the Hannity show:
Dr Michael Baden, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, first of all, I agree with you that it’s silly to go after somebody for selling single cigarettes —
HANNITY: It’s stupid!
BADEN: — in a community to people who can’t afford to buy —
HANNITY: A full pack.
BADEN: — a whole pack of cigarettes.
HANNITY: Six dollars in taxes for one pack in New York City!
BADEN: But I think the autopsy itself — the medical examiner did a great job on this. There’s 27 pages in the report. And the female (ph), she found that there were 10 hemorrhages on the inside of the neck, in the muscles of the neck, petechial hemorrhages in the eye, hemorrhage in the tongue. And those are all evidence of neck compression. You’re right, chokehold has many different meanings in all. What we’re concerned at autopsy is was there pressure on the neck.
HANNITY: Right.
BADEN: There was pressure on the neck and pressure on the chest.
HANNITY: I don’t doubt it. This is a big guy.
BADEN: Pressure on the chest that interferes with the lungs expanding and —
HANNITY: But they also —
(CROSSTALK)
BADEN: And hands on the face and nose. So he couldn’t breathe, and he was telling the truth.
HANNITY: But he was still talking does. That impact his ability to talk, if he can’t breathe?
BADEN: Yes, no, you can say, I can’t breathe.
HANNITY: You can.
BADEN: Absolutely.”
So: she found that there were 10 hemorrhages on the inside of the neck, in the muscles of the neck, petechial hemorrhages in the eye, hemorrhage in the tongue. And those are all evidence of neck compression.
So he couldn’t breathe, and he was telling the truth.
HANNITY: But he was still talking does. That impact his ability to talk, if he can’t breathe?
BADEN: Yes, no, you can say, I can’t breathe.
The cop is guilty of at least manslaughter.
That isn't accurate. There are two main chokes: air and blood.
It happens all the time that a person can talk and then pass out from a blood choke, ie rear naked choke. You aren't blocking the airway.
But, to the main point of death. The police and all surrounding personnel are at fault for neglect once the citizen was subdued and incarcerated.
At that point, the citizen is incapacitated and his physical well being as at the hand of .gov. And that is a bad place to be.
....”Then the police were also to blame for not understanding that Garner was a serious asthmatic”....
No they weren’t...since when do we need officers to “understand” someone resisting arrest who is telling them to “leave me alone” before they attempted to arrest him.
This guy was already on his own self destructive track...in is behavior toward police, repeating his crimes believing he was entitled to break the law.
I support the police in how they handled him...
I don't see the "resistance" in the video until after the chokehold.
I don't see the "had to" in the video. I can think of half a dozen options to grabbing him by the neck from behind.
“Then the police were also to blame for not understanding that Garner was a serious asthmatic and that his protestations were for real.”
How would the police be blamed if they had no knowledge he was an asthmatic?
Condolences to family and friends of Eric Garner.
The "resistance" was passive resistance, at most. NYPD officers are required to abstain from using force when possible, and to use the minimum force necessary to overcome resistance. With at least five officers around him at the time, there was no need to "take him down." They wanted to show Garner who's boss, so to speak, and he ended up dead. Wholly unnecessary, and pretty shameful to see Freepers defending it.