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A Funny Thing Happened In School Today
RantRave.com ^ | Sept. 15, 2014 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 12/13/2014 5:20:29 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice

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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

My eldest son learned to read by age 5. He just took to it.

The youngest was still not reading at the middle of second grade and had forgotten the phonics I had taught to him before he began herd school. I had to pull him out of the zoo and teach him to read.


21 posted on 12/14/2014 6:43:45 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: EinNYC
You know what though? Indignance in the face of FAIL is what got us here. Tender feelings aside, there is a big elephant in the room that teachers will not deal with and that elephant is called “NEVERTHELESS”.

Teachers are mostly highly educated. Nevertheless, on the whole, their work product quality declines year after year. This despite the dumbing down of requirements that has taken place in the last say 50 years.

The basic problem with teachers is not whether they are sufficiently educated or intelligent, it is that they are liberal and secular humanist in their worldview. They are collectivists, sheeple of the NEA.

Their main concern is money. Nevertheless on the whole, education spending has become inversely proportional to achievement.

The root problem is not teachers, per. se. It is that teachers are a reflection of part of us, our nation, our society. We, as members of this society have done this, we have forgotten God and taken the wide road. We think we know what to do, and how to do it. We seek to be educated, but the result is a lack of wisdom, virtue, self restraint, all the desired results of “education”.

Our representatives are a good example of this. All of them highly educated, yet nearly all of them turn out to be cretinous slaves to pride and are utter moral cowards.

22 posted on 12/14/2014 7:08:04 AM PST by ecomcon
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I assure you that "money" is not the main concern of teachers. If that were the case, they would have taken jobs in the private sector and made a lot more money. Of the thousands of conversations I have overheard in teacher lounges, "money" was not a topic in very many, and was in the context of discussing the latest contract.

Teachers are drawn from the society in which they exist. If that society is increasingly liberal, then the teachers drawn from that society would be as well. But teachers take their marching orders from their administration, and the administration now has to take THEIR marching orders from people far outside the paradigm of education, but very much within the paradigm of a lack of moral character---politicians and businessmen. Teachers do NOT take their values or marching orders from their unions unless they are a complete empty vessel. From what I heard from fellow teachers during the latest discussions of the new contract, plenty of them do not now or would ever qualify for a label of "sheeple," myself included, as the unions increasingly sell their members out and join hand in hand with the corrupt politicians against their own teacher constituents! You would have people believe that teacher unions snap their fingers and their teachers blindly obey. That is hardly the case!

It is also quite true that there has been a fundamental breakdown of the nuclear family, with moral values and character not being taught in the home. How else to account for teachers being told to "suck my di_k" by students, being told "f___ you", being told "I'm gonna find you after school and jump yo a__? Or being spit on, having objects thrown at them? No one in the previous generation would even have dreamt of doing these things.

For you to claim that the desired result of education is a "lack of wisdom, virtue, self restraint..." is ludicrous. These are the results of a lack of PARENTING. The onus of character training has been passed on by the heedless progenitors to the teachers, with the additional restriction that teachers are no longer allowed to discipline students lest they be put up on charges of corporal punishment, as simply raising one's voice or making students feel "nervous or afraid" now qualifies as corporal punishment. The teachers just have to stand there and take all this nonsense, and the rest of the class suffers as their learning time is decimated by the disruptive actions of the poorly-parented.

THERE is the root of your lower scores. Not the teachers.

23 posted on 12/14/2014 9:31:35 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC
For you to claim that the desired result of education is a "lack of wisdom, virtue, self restraint..." is ludicrous

I claimed no such thing. You misunderstood what I said. Wisdom, virtue, self restraint, etc, are the desired character traits that we want to follow from all this "education". They are exactly what we are NOT getting.

I specifically said that teachers are not the problem per.se. I will say this: Teachers that are members of AFT or NEA yet disagree with the positions of these unions are sheeple and are doing it for the money, simple as that. I don't see teachers protesting their union bosses, administrators, and whatever other PTB that apparently force them to teach sodomy, moral relativism, and secular humanism.

Nevertheless.

24 posted on 12/14/2014 4:01:56 PM PST by ecomcon
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Teachers are not in a position to protest against their union bosses-—and then get hung out to dry when they need the union to represent them. Teachers are not in a position to protest against their administrators-—and then be brought up on charges of insubordination. Teachers, like other people, have mortgages to pay, children to support, and the other typical expenses of life. They need their jobs, the same as anyone else. I assure you I did not sign up to teach “sodomy, moral relativism and secular humanism”. I signed up to teach biology. I personally make it a point to present a good moral example, including my attire. I attempt to gently chide inappropriate dress or behavior, but there one is treading on thin ice, because the students have rights—and the teachers increasingly don’t. Students will tell you to your face, “I’m a gonna get you fired, b__ch!” Because they know they can. That is how screwed up things are now, at least in NYC’s public schools. The kids are running the schools and the teachers have to kowtow to them or lose their jobs.


25 posted on 12/14/2014 7:03:32 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Okay, blessings to you.


26 posted on 12/14/2014 7:31:26 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: EinNYC

If a majority of teachers want to change this, they should band together and make the change happen.

If more than 50% of the union rank-and-file used that “protest” methods that liberals and teachers love to talk about, like, publicizing the problems, having demonstrations, walk-outs, starting “movements”, etc., well, they could “change the world”.

The union would collapse if more than 50% of its members went public on wanting to fix problems and threatened to walk.

If teachers all across the country did this at once, even 1/3 of them, it would start a massive movement that the union would look idiotic alongside if it did not support the movement to end the lack of permission for teachers to discipline students.

You can’t teach without first having students ready to learn, meaning, basic discipline.

All teachers know this; most everyone knows it.

Teachers, like all government employees - always - are looking at a retirement. That’s the big prize. The teacher and all town/city employees get Social Security when they retire PLUS a pension.

Those pensions are the grand prize that teachers keep in mind, why they “lay low” and just PUT IN THEIR TIME.

Yes, the legal system has established this idea that students are running the schools, but no one involved is starting any “MOVEMENT” to bring discipline back to schools.

Tells us all we need to know. The powers that be want this mess, and sheeple are convinced by the dynamics of trying to get by to go along to get along.


27 posted on 12/15/2014 11:51:34 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen; everyone

I appreciate all the thoughtful comments.

Here’s my up-to-the-minute newscast. On the one hand, there is much good news. Common Core is being rolled back in many places; I hope it will be rolled back until it falls in the ocean.

On the dark side, our Education Establishment, UNESCO, and all sorts of national and global meddlers are plotting every day for how to dumb down the schools even more.


28 posted on 12/15/2014 1:55:38 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Yes, the General Education Board, circa 1902, is where a lot of the worst nonsense started.

Here is the money quote, at the end of the Wikipedia article:

“In our dreams, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present education conventions fade from their minds, and unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, editors, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply…The task we set before ourselves is very simple as well as a very beautiful one, to train these people as we find them to a perfectly ideal life just where they are. So we will organize our children and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way, in the homes, in the shops and on the farm.” - General Education Board, Occasional Papers, No. 1.

This is from 112 years ago. And these arrogant twerps are still going strong.


29 posted on 12/15/2014 2:17:34 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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