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RC one is either not an ER nurse or a bad one.

In trauma, we consider it defacto proof that an airway is intact and patent if the pt can say anything including “I can’t breathe”.

EMS said he was breathing. You don’t do CPR on a Pt with spontaneous respirations and a pulse. I deal with EMS every day. They know what they are doing.

Garner wasn’t just involved in selling “loosies”, He was a cereer criminal who sold “loosies” in front of ethnic stores as a way of extorting money from them. That is why they needed a 300+ pound guy who refused arrest. He was there to intimidate people of color NOT to call the police, but to pay him to move. It was a protection racket that wouldn’t work if he moved when police told him to.

God bless the families of the two policemen, neither of them “white” that died because of this nonsense.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Thanks for your contribution. That makes sense.

Besides, no matter what all the arm-chair analysts say, I believe the grand jury was fair and thorough.

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Anyone who watched the video and who has any common sense can see that Garner's heart attack occurred 7 minutes before he was carted off the scene...well before EMS arrived on the scene to declare that Garner was still breathing. I do not believe for a second that Garner was breathing at that point. He was lifeless, unconscious, unresponsive and not perfusing his heart or his brain with oxygenated blood due to the sudden and massive heart attack he had just experienced.

The protocol for a witnessed heart attack is chest compressions, rescue breathing, and defibrillation with an AED

From the American Heart Association: Early CPR can improve the likelihood of survival, and yet CPR is often not provided until the arrival of professional emergency responders.5 Chest compressions are an especially critical component of CPR because perfusion during CPR depends on these compressions. Therefore, chest compressions should be the highest priority and the initial action when starting CPR in the adult victim of sudden cardiac arrest. The phrase “push hard and push fast” emphasizes some of these critical components of chest compression. High-quality CPR is important not only at the onset but throughout the course of resuscitation. Defibrillation and advanced care should be interfaced in a way that minimizes any interruption in CPR.6

And here's this from WebMD: •If a person who might be having a heart attack becomes unconscious, start cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). If you're not CPR-trained, the 911 dispatcher can talk you through the steps until help arrives.

And from the British Heart Foundation: Someone who has had a cardiac arrest will be unconscious and won’t be breathing normally. If you see someone having a cardiac arrest, you can increase the person's chances of survival by phoning 999 and giving them immediate CPR.

and again, he died of a heart attack en route to the hospital according to the initial reports which I previously linked to. The only question is when. How can you watch video number 2 and not conclude that the heart attack occurred in video number 1, a good 8 minutes before Garner was ever placed into the ambulance.

The video is right there for everyone to see. Attacking me personally doesn't change that.

The EMTs who responded to the call, incidentally, were fired two days later:

They were first placed on modified duty, and then hospital officials announced Monday the workers were being suspended and would not be allowed to work at the hospital or throughout the 911 system.

Hmmm, I wonder why that was.