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The NFL found 11 of the Patriots' 12 footballs were under-inflated by 2 pounds of air (PSI)
bostonherald.com ^ | Jan 21, 2015 | Jeff Howe

Posted on 01/21/2015 4:04:41 AM PST by Boston Blackie

The NFL is investigating whether the Patriots deflated footballs that were used in their AFC championship game victory over the Colts.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: deflatedballs; deflategate; deflatriots; newengland; nfl; patriots; searchfootballs
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To: Joe 6-pack

Perhaps it, the 12th ball, did not get wet, and therefore did not cool down as much.


141 posted on 01/21/2015 7:45:46 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery ea)
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To: dforest

To paraphrase Judge Judy: So Tommy, were you lying then when you said the interinflated footballs charge was nonsense (i.e., that you didn’t know anything about it) or are you lying now when you say you like underinflated footballs (i.e., that of course you knew about it because you handle footballs for a living) ... hmmmm, little Lady Brady?


142 posted on 01/21/2015 7:49:51 AM PST by glennaro
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To: sten

Temperature was in the low 50s/high 40s during the game.


143 posted on 01/21/2015 7:53:26 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Seattle may be the epicenter of liberalism, but the Sea Hawks represent Washington State. That means a lot of conservative areas, like Eastern Washington.
Most every football team is based from a major city, and major cities have a lot of liberals in them. Football teams represent their state in the most part.
144 posted on 01/21/2015 8:08:50 AM PST by kaila
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To: NKP_Vet
I am not a Colts fan, nor do I have a dislike for the Patriots. That means I am neutral. But I am starting to suspect Belicheck is a cheater and didn't deserve to get to 9 Super Bowls.

Barry Bonds hit more home runs than anyone else in history, but he is not is the baseball Hall of Fame because he cheated. Bill Belicheck may be the Barry Bonds of football. Time will tell.
145 posted on 01/21/2015 8:30:33 AM PST by Dan in Wichita
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To: NKP_Vet

Well, you’ve changed my mind: I HATE HIM! *SMIRK*

(Um, I’ve advanced myself in my career, sometimes by any means necessary, in my youth.)


146 posted on 01/21/2015 8:33:18 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Seattle Conservative

And you have every right to stick up for them...
I’d just look up ole Pete’s history now that I brought it to your attention...
And full disclosure from me: I went to UCLA...but am still a Clay Matthews fan.
OBTW, I like Wilson too....I just feel bad he plays for Seattle...JMO.....
good luck in the game....will be rooting for the Pats....sorry.


147 posted on 01/21/2015 8:40:55 AM PST by matginzac
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To: kaila

Just too bad the Packers had to blow the game in the last couple minutes. Seahawks need a humility check. Pete Carroll came to Seattle after been found guilty of NCAA infrations which resulted in USC’s entire record being vacated from the undefeated 2005–06 regular season.


148 posted on 01/21/2015 8:45:29 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: 11th Commandment

I don’t doubt that they weigh the balls. There is a specification for weight of the balls that must be met. I AM doubting that the amount of air let out of the balls to deflate them from 13 to 10.5 psi would be detected by this weighing. IOW, the weight spec is independent of the pressure spec.


149 posted on 01/21/2015 8:45:52 AM PST by stremba
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To: IYAS9YAS

Nitrogen is used in tires for two reasons:

1. Air compressors tend to allow moisture into the air stream. Moisture tends to yield a more sensitive pressure response to temperature (water can condense or vaporize with temperature changes).

2. Rubber is less permeable to nitrogen than it is to other components of air.

The inherent response of a gas pressure to temperature is, in fact, independent of the composition of the gas. That’s basic kinetic theory (from which the ideal gas law is derived). Filling with dry air would give the same result as filling with nitrogen as far as pressure response is concerned.


150 posted on 01/21/2015 8:52:18 AM PST by stremba
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To: 11th Commandment

That makes sense scientifically. The difference in weight for a helium filled ball vs an air filled one (assuming 13 psi) is roughly 2 grams per liter of volume. Assuming an NFL ball is roughly one liter in volume (just a rough estimate, but probably not too far off) that means that the weight of a helium filled ball it 2 grams lower than that of an air filled ball. The only other factor is buoyancy, which is dependent on the denisty of the ball. Increased buoyancy would tend to lead to longer distances travelled (the buoyant force would oppose gravity). The density of the helium filled ball would be slightly lower, but it’s negligible so the increase in buoyancy would also be negligible, which is right in line with what Mythbusters found.


151 posted on 01/21/2015 8:57:53 AM PST by stremba
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To: stremba
Filling with dry air would give the same result as filling with nitrogen as far as pressure response is concerned.

Yes. Thank you. I knew about the permeability and rubber, and knew it was moisture in normal air compression vs. nitrogen, but failed to point that out. That lack of moisture is what helps the nitrogen-inflated tires remain at a more constant pressure.

152 posted on 01/21/2015 9:02:25 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: CTyank
"Doesn’t help the QB as it slows the ball down faster."

Brady has said he prefers his footballs to be underinflated. Aaron Rodgers likes them over-inflated. As the ones who handle the ball the most during any game, quarterbacks have their preferences for a reason. And you can guarantee that centers also have their preferences as well.

In my playing experience, I could easily tell the difference between ball types, sizes, weights, etc. (just as I have preferences for certain weapons on the range, btw). And I knew which balls I could get better reactions with from the grip and feel and would adjust accordingly. Similar to basketballs as well. 1-lb of PSI will definitely alter how a basketball bounces when dribbling or how a shot comes off the rim. In football, the same. In my case, tighter grip meant tighter spiral and a harder throw into traffic with less chance of bouncing off the receiver.

Even at my amateur level, I was much more confident and accurate with a softer ball. Fortunately for me, our practice balls were so horribly ragged and bloated (think medicine ball) that picking up a game ball was like shedding ankle weights or popping the donut off the Louisville Slugger.

With a football, at the skill level of these quarterbacks?... sorry, but 2lbs is huge.

153 posted on 01/21/2015 9:05:47 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Travis McGee; Triple

Based on my understanding of the pv=nrt thing, dropping the temperature from 80F to 40F would drop the pressure about 8%, assuming the volume was unchanged.


154 posted on 01/21/2015 9:30:21 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: CAluvdubya

The Colt who intercepted Brady in the first half tipped off the refs about it because the ball didn’t feel right to him.


155 posted on 01/21/2015 9:44:49 AM PST by randita (Obama entrusted the transformation of the best healthcare system in the world to a scam artist.)
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To: mmichaels1970

Ahem... my price for my idea is a million dollars. I will even supply the bins. : )


156 posted on 01/21/2015 10:06:46 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: SZonian

I understand about the flexible rubber bladder. But the leather sleeve is not made of iron or carbon fiber, but organic leather that does indeed change its elasticity when soaking wet.


157 posted on 01/21/2015 10:17:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Girlene

Then blame the refs. They handle the balls on every single play.


158 posted on 01/21/2015 10:18:55 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Boston Blackie

one has to wonder whether they were underinflated vs the
Ravens as well.


159 posted on 01/21/2015 10:20:25 AM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: Lurker

See 157 please.


160 posted on 01/21/2015 10:20:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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