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To: lepton

10 psi vs 12 psi is very noticeable, don’t believe me that a 20% psi is not noticeable?

Please go deflate your tires to 25lbs of pressure and tell me you can’t tell the difference.

The claim it can’t be noticed is nonsense. A 20%-30% pressure differential is huge, and that’s what we are talking about here. Claiming its just a lb or two is comical. It shows just how gullible and mathematically ignorant far too many folks are.

Again, if it was a bunch of average joes out on a sunday afternoon that had no frame of reference to know what a properly inflated ball should feel like, I’d agree with you, they probably could play with a 10lb ball and not know any better.. but to claim folks who spend their careers doing it can’t tell a 20-30% pressure differential is comical beyond belief.

To claim its just a lb or two, shows complete ignorance of what exactly PSI is, it doesn’t matter the number of lbs PSI delta, what matter is the percentage difference, and to try to claim a 20% pressure difference isn’t immediately noticeable by anyone who is familiar with the proper pressure is a joke of a claim.

I am sure no big name will wind up being punished for it, they’ll find some low level patsy to lay the blame on in the end... and the pats would have won the game anyway... so it didn’t impact the final outcome other than the scoreboard, but there is no doubt cheating too place, and the claim that you handled the equipment all game, knowing or at least should know after how many years in the league what a properly inflated ball feels like, but didn’t notice is just a flat out ludicrous claim.

How much you want to bet, if they can track down the individual balls, that that 12th ball that was properly inflated, was the one they used to kick with??? I would money down on that without question, because those extra 2 lbs of pressure are going to equate to a lot in the distance of any kick made.

I have no idea who ordered the balls deflated, and frankly don’t care, but the claim a professional QB with a long career in the NFL didn’t notice the balls were under inflated by 20% all game? Yea, doesn’t pass the smell test.


116 posted on 01/23/2015 8:41:48 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

A 20%-30% pressure differential is huge,


Are you familiar with the concept of diminishing returns?

The first pound makes such a difference that it seems you’ve got a different object. The next couple of pounds likewise make large, but lesser diffences, and so forth, until it’s at about 7 lbs. from that point the differences become more and more minuscule. After about 10 lbs you are predominantly just compressing the leather and liner. A little more, and only a few people can compress by more than a millimeter if that is all they are doing - which is not what a QB is doing. At 12 PSI, you’re more compressing your fingers than compressing the ball. At 14 PSI, you’re having to do exponentially more extreme things to make a detectable difference...usually requiring things that are not hands.

Try it yourself. The diffences are inversely exponential, not linear.


120 posted on 01/23/2015 9:06:41 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: HamiltonJay

but there is no doubt cheating too place, and the claim that you handled the equipment all game, knowing or at least should know after how many years in the league what a properly inflated ball feels like, but didn’t notice is just a flat out ludicrous claim.


BTW, that applies to the officials too...and apparently the Colt who made the interception.

It also applies in reverse, when the Pats had a Colt ball set in the first half and other than the markings no one noticed.


125 posted on 01/23/2015 9:18:02 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: HamiltonJay
I have no idea who ordered the balls deflated, and frankly don’t care, but the claim a professional QB with a long career in the NFL didn’t notice the balls were under inflated by 20% all game? Yea, doesn’t pass the smell test.

Something puzzling about your reasoning that a pro QB wouldn't notice an under inflated ball. Why didn't the officials, at least two of whom handle the ball after every play, notice any difference? And they handle the ball twice as much as any quarterback during a game. And they handled each side's footballs, without gloves, the entire game with some being under inflated and others properly inflated but never did anything about it.

142 posted on 01/23/2015 10:15:36 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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