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I'm confused about this Cruz Citizenship thing

Posted on 03/23/2015 1:17:25 PM PDT by bigdaddy45

So I saw several years of complaints that Obama was born in Kenya. Lets assume he was. His mother is an American citizen; there isn't any dispute there. And, in the minds of those who believe he was born in Kenya, that means he's not eligible to be President.

Lets move to Ted Cruz. He was born in Canada. His father wasn't a US Citizen at the time of his birth. His mother was. So if Obama being born in Kenya supposedly matters, why does Cruz being born in Canada NOT matter?


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To: DiogenesLamp

Who said anything about changing anything? Not me. Once again you’re desperate for a flame war you’re not gonna get.


241 posted on 03/24/2015 12:14:50 PM PDT by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: discostu
Not me. Once again you’re desperate for a flame war you’re not gonna get.

Neither am I gonna get a common sense response.

242 posted on 03/24/2015 12:24:52 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

If you don’t ask common sense questions you can’t get common sense replies.


243 posted on 03/24/2015 12:28:04 PM PDT by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: discostu
If you don’t ask common sense questions you can’t get common sense replies.

When you are in a discussion in which people think congress can modify the meaning of "natural born citizen" whenever they feel like it, you are already outside the realm of common sense.

244 posted on 03/24/2015 12:38:21 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

The only people that modified anything are the birthers. Sorry but the birther arguments have made exactly zero sense and been largely comedic for 7 odd years now. You have a convoluted definition of NBC that doesn’t match any legal definition ever used, and frankly isn’t even internally consistent. Birthers are outside the realm of common sense, which is why they ask questions that can’t be answered with common sense. Bye.


245 posted on 03/24/2015 12:45:53 PM PDT by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: discostu
The only people that modified anything are the birthers. Sorry but the birther arguments have made exactly zero sense and been largely comedic for 7 odd years now.

All you've said here is that the arguments are over your head and you don't actually understand them; That you'd prefer to rely on the opinions of people who gave us Roe v Wade, Kelo, Wickard, and who are about to give us state sanctioned "gay" marriage, rather than think for yourself.

246 posted on 03/24/2015 1:12:08 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: bigdaddy45

For one thing, because his 18 year old mother was not eligible to confer American citizenship to her son.


247 posted on 03/24/2015 2:03:01 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: bigdaddy45

No, there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation, if you’d only educated yourself about it.


248 posted on 03/24/2015 2:04:14 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: Zhang Fei

Misinformed, wrong, just casting stones from a position of ignorance.


249 posted on 03/24/2015 2:05:39 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: bigdaddy45

Oh I see. You only accept as honest those that are misinformed like yourself. (willfully misinformed?)


250 posted on 03/24/2015 2:07:25 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: Zhang Fei

If so....why won’t he release his birth records?? Uh huh, I thought so.


251 posted on 03/24/2015 2:08:24 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: taxcontrol; bigdaddy45

Yeah, he was born in Kenya (according to him) until he ran for president, then it was oh no, I was born in Hawaii, of COURSE. Won’t release his birth certificate, but we’re to just trust the congenital liar.


252 posted on 03/24/2015 2:10:38 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I believe he was born in Kenya. So he claimed, until he ran for president.


253 posted on 03/24/2015 2:13:25 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: iowamark

No, she was 18, but still too young to confer citizenship on Obambi according to the laws in effect at the time.


254 posted on 03/24/2015 2:15:30 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: bigdaddy45

You know, if you’re not going to listen when we explain, then you’re a troll. Are you a troll??????


255 posted on 03/24/2015 2:16:30 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: bigdaddy45

It’s been explained here several times, somewhat accurately. I’ve got a really good idea. Why don’t you go LOOK UP the citizenship laws in 1960 your own self?!! Wow, what a wonderful idea......unless you have some other agenda than the truth.


256 posted on 03/24/2015 2:20:00 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

No Bubba, go look up the citizenship laws in 1960 and you will see....


257 posted on 03/24/2015 2:20:51 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: Zhang Fei

No, they are not. You’re just wishing they were.


258 posted on 03/24/2015 2:22:10 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: Zhang Fei

Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. He certainly claimed he was born in Kenya until he ran for president, when it mattered that he should be born in the U.S. And that’s a fact.


259 posted on 03/24/2015 2:26:38 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Liberty does not exist in the absence of morality. Edmund Burke)
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To: philman_36
So in your opinion is Cruz a natural born citizen or a statutory citizen?

People keep arguing this point, but it seems to be fairly well settled that if you obtained your citizenship by virtue of your birth, you are a "natural born" citizen. That can be as a result of where you were born (in the US) or who your parents were (US citizens). It does not have to be both.

If your citizenship had to be bestowed on you by an act of law, you are a naturalized citizen.

260 posted on 03/24/2015 2:27:35 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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