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To: Azeem
The U.S. and U.S.S.R. proved in WW2 - build enough mediocre tanks, you can overrun the best tanks in the world.

Hold it right there. The Russian T-34--especially the T-34/85 version with the 85 mm gun--was absolutely deadly to German tanks, especially since it could withstand a lot of punishment and the 85 mm tank gun could take out most German tanks. The Russians did field bigger tanks such as the IS-2 more comparable to the German tanks, but they served in much smaller numbers compared to the T-34/85.

33 posted on 03/30/2015 9:05:15 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

The T-34/85’s advantages were light weight, Christie suspension, faster speed and shear numbers.... Even with the 85mm gun, they had to close to well within range of the German guns to score kills.

The older 76.2mm could kill Pzkfw III and IV at 500m. The 85mm could kill same tanks at greater ranges, but had a hard time with Tigers and Panthers. The T-35/85 required a tungsten penetrator from 500m to kill a Panther whereas the Panther could kill at almost double that range.


37 posted on 03/30/2015 10:14:53 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Making harmless people defenseless, does not make dangerous people harmless)
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To: RayChuang88; Azeem

Joseph Stalin is famous for saying

“Quantity has a quality of its own”.

Quantity is quality

Variant: Quantity has a quality all its own
This quote is reminiscent of the Marxist theoretical principle that steady quantitative changes can lead to a sudden qualitative leap. It is therefore likely that Stalin may have said something like this. However, in the variant “Quantity is quality”, there is an undialectical equation of the two. Stalin is therefore unlikely to have used this variant; the variant “Quantity has a quality all its own” is therefore more likely.

This quote is sometimes tied to a commentary on Russian tank and troop production

I’ve seen this attributed to him on dozens of web pages.
It probably should go in unsourced until someone can trace a primary source down.

It should probably go in the garbage can. 205.237.144.123 19:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC) Activist (talk) 19:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


39 posted on 03/30/2015 1:00:59 PM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. ItÂ’s been found hard and not tried')
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