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So, What Evidence Would Persuade You That Man-Made Climate Change Is Real?
Reason ^ | 04/04/2015 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 04/06/2015 7:06:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

First of all, it has not been established scientifically that there is such a thing as a greenhouse gas.

The whole house of cards is supported by that very wet piece of cardboard.

The reason for all the sturm and drang is the lack of scientific evidence for any of it. When it was proven, in a lab, that CFCs were destroying the ozone layer, a substitute was found that wasn’t, and the CFCs were banned. There wasn’t any argument or debate. You could replicate the results in a lab and show how it was happening in real life and we had to do something about it.

No problem. We introduced HCFCs and moved on.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the more people pound a table about a point of science, the less science there actually is.

I remember the outcry over DDT, and how it was going to kill us all. Lack of it has killed more people worldwide than the ban could have ever preserved.

I love the writer trying to invoke Hayek’s drivel about conservatism to support is own flawed philosophy.

He’s looking for enough scientific evidence to put together his fig leaf so that he can resume being invited to all the right parties again.

Last I checked, CO2 is heavier than air. So is SOX and NOX.

To defeat the greenhouse effect, you have to figure out a way to ban cloud formation, because water vapor is what keeps the planet warmer than it should.

They can’t tie fluctuations in the jet stream to anything they currently want to ban, which is California’s entire problem (if you don’t count overbuilding in the desert a problem).

I can show how fluctuations in the average surface temperature of Mars correlates closely with fluctuations in the average surface temperature of the Earth. This would suggest that the Sun has more to do with how hot and cold the planet is than anything we are doing or not doing to it.

I’m no fan of defecating in my own tee pee, and a rejection of this AGW garbage in no way suggests that keeping the planet as clean as we can isn’t a good idea.

I just think that AGW has less science behind it than phrenology does.


81 posted on 04/06/2015 8:44:01 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: SeekAndFind

When Washington DC is under water.


82 posted on 04/06/2015 8:46:30 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind

Nothing as climate is climate and man isn’t big enough to endager the planets climate. Now could man deplete the seas or kill off all edible animals? A big no there too;-) And if anything it keeps getting cooler in Miami during the winters.


83 posted on 04/06/2015 9:00:33 AM PDT by Harpotoo
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To: ifinnegan

“What are examples of low carb, higher fat diets?”

Eat less bread, sugar, tortillas, chips, potatoes, rice, or any of the simple starches.

Feel free to eat eggs, cheese, butter, meat, beans, green veggies, nuts, etc. Portion control is important. The idea is to reduce your eating, but not get the cravings and weakness that comes (for me) when on a low fat diet.

After watching me, my 30 year old daughter tried it and lost 10 lbs. Several co-workers of hers have tried it and also lost weight. I don’t think of it as a “diet”, but a way to eat for the rest of my life. Since it allows stuff like meats, bacon, cheese, etc, I find no trouble sticking to it. Just eat portions that allow you to get hungry at times - but without the headaches and cravings. When I eat bread, I just try to make sure it is a small portion of bread with a higher ratio of meat & fat.

At my physical last month, my blood sugar was down, cholesterol stable (and moderate), my weight was down, I’m wearing 30” jeans instead of 34”, etc. The government says eating like that ought to make me explode into a ball of cholesterol.


84 posted on 04/06/2015 9:36:16 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: SeekAndFind
By how much? Summed over the past 35 years—that is, since the advent of satellite monitoring—temperatures have increased by at most 0.56 C° (1 F°) and at least by 0.455 C° (0.8 F°). In general, the instrumental records suggest that surface temperatures have warmed on average by about +0.9 C° (1.6 F°) since the 1950s.

And how much of this increase can be attributed to better instrumentation versus actual hotter temps?

85 posted on 04/06/2015 9:55:43 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: lepton

concur - I was referring to the impact of all emf.


86 posted on 04/06/2015 10:14:36 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Mr Rogers

Thanks.

I used the term “diet” because I wasn’t sure what other term to use.

Appreciate it greatly.


87 posted on 04/06/2015 10:45:20 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: traderrob6

There must be a scientifically valid and repeatable scientific experimental model that ties in man’s activities with the increased temperature.” (and ACCURATELY predicts present and future increases)

Yes, I think the author of the piece has the mistaken notion that the burden of proof is on hypothesis skeptics; it is not. It is the duty of the investigator to prove his or her assertion experimentally. Scientists and modelers are not given a presumption of fact for their contentions, in fact, it is quite the opposite.


88 posted on 04/06/2015 12:11:14 PM PDT by Old North State
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To: MHGinTN

And at the expense of the people, who will pay for these carbon credits. As in, energy prices will ‘necessarily skyrocket.’

My husband’s power plant is going bankrupt because they cannot pay their carbon emissions fee. They laid off 25% of the workforce, but still can’t pay it. They will just limp along until it is overdue and then declare bankruptcy.

He offered to be laid off in lieu of one of the workers that were laid off. But they wouldn’t take up a on it since he is the compliance manager, at California’s largest nonnuclear power plant. They didn’t think the other employees could do the job. And who would want to? Dealing with Big Government idiocy, that gets more regulatory more complicated each year. It is all designed to bankrupt power plants and keep the masses shivering.


89 posted on 04/06/2015 12:11:45 PM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: dila813

No, he just says that all of the glaciers are melting and it’s apparently our fault. I think he’s never heard of the Medieval Warm Period, either.


90 posted on 04/06/2015 4:27:47 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: MNDude

I just wanna know how we pulled the earf out of that danged Ice Age thing the last time without burning coal and running our A/C at full the whole time since then.

I had a guy try to convince me that air conditioners are pumping heat into the environment. Yeah, heat they took out of THIS part of the environment and put into THAT part of the environment. That heat was already here, my A/C didn’t make it.

He then told me how I’m such a dumass because I believe air conditioners are “perpetural motion machines.” Never argue with a Hysterion, it will just bring you down to their level.


91 posted on 04/06/2015 5:02:00 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (I will not be voting for another Bush. Period, paragraph, end of story. Fuggiddabbouddit!)
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To: rktman

Burning tax dollars causes global warming...


92 posted on 04/06/2015 11:04:21 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: vpintheak

I think it is time to revive the term “Lysenkoism” as it describes the pseudo-science the Marxists are trying to dust off in a slightly different venue to pitch this nonsense.


93 posted on 04/06/2015 11:09:54 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: qam1
To the global Warming proponents I guess physics work differently in whatever hemisphere you are in.

It is a Coriolis Effect: There's "Right" Physics and "Left" Physics.

94 posted on 04/06/2015 11:15:35 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: samtheman
How can the warming be MASKED and at the same time CAUSING EFFECTS???

Interesting observation. I had missed that contradiction in all the noise.

My opinion is based more along the lines of the electric universe and a quiescent sun. I subscribe to the bicentennial cycle and have accepted this cold winter is the new normal. The new normal will peak with much colder temps and longer winters at around 2030.

Life on this planet is going to become more brutal and we had the opportunity to prepare for it, had it not been for the pagan religion of man made global climate change.

I predict there are going to be many "climate scientists" hanging from trees in rapidly changing boreal forests.
95 posted on 04/07/2015 12:00:29 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yep! I like your tagline by the way.


96 posted on 04/07/2015 6:56:31 AM PDT by vpintheak (Call the left what they are - regressive control-freaks)
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To: SeekAndFind
I changed my mind about climate change:

The same way you changed your mind about your sexual identity? Because Liberal logic says whatever you believe must be believed and respected by all.

By force of Government! Now there 's the problem.

97 posted on 04/07/2015 7:05:55 AM PDT by MaxMax (Call the local GOP and ask how you can support CRUZ for POTUS, Make them talk!)
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To: ifinnegan

What are examples of low carb, higher fat diets?

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The Atkin’s diet, for one.


98 posted on 04/07/2015 12:15:06 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: PROCON

It’s a religion to the sheeperal.
It’s an excuse for the elitists.


99 posted on 04/07/2015 12:16:37 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: chaosagent

Thanks.

I will look it up.


100 posted on 04/07/2015 12:17:31 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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