[DiogenesLamp]

Actually I’ve always approached it from the exact opposite approach: I’m open to alternate POV as long as you can make a compelling case. Give me a convincing argument and I’ll gladly consider it.

So far you’ve failed.

If you don't consider the Principles contained in the Declaration of Independence to be a convincing argument, I doubt there is much hope for me getting the point across to you.

I have always found it Ironic that Lincoln's greatest speech specifically refers to the time when the Colonies broke away from England. ("Four Score and Seven Years ago" was 1776.) He was reprising the role of George III at the time.

I guess the Irony is just lost on some people.

[rockrr]

The principles are doing just fine. It’s your feeble attempts at warping them to fit the Slavers Rebellion that fail miserably.

Yea, how about that irony, huh?